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Post by joachim on Jun 29, 2015 0:48:11 GMT -6
Here is my entry: soundcloud.com/joachim-dahl-1/bycu-lazy-day-bluesI just recorded the song as in tabs over John's backing track. I remember I really struggled with prober timing/phrasing (and the bends, of course) first time I recorded it; playing all notes more or less as 1/8th notes. This time I tried to pay more attention to timing/phrasing, and it is a lot better than then first recording. A few licks still start a little off time, though. Perhaps next time we review it, I will get it right. |
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Post by jack1982 on Jun 29, 2015 5:23:10 GMT -6
Sounds very nice Joachim, the bends and timing aren't quite perfect but compared to my current version of it, they're pretty darned good!  This is a really hard song to get just right and I admire your efforts. |
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Post by joachim on Jun 29, 2015 7:00:58 GMT -6
Sounds very nice Joachim, the bends and timing aren't quite perfect but compared to my current version of it, they're pretty darned good! This is a really hard song to get just right and I admire your efforts. Yes, the timing is actually very subtle in that song. It sounds very easy, but as you say, difficult to really nail - at least to me... |
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Post by cunningr on Jun 29, 2015 9:52:54 GMT -6
I thought it was an excellent effort, I am trying to get one nailed down now. I am splitting my time between this one and all forms.
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Post by Phil on Jun 30, 2015 13:18:58 GMT -6
Not bad, Joachim. I think your timing is fine. Yeah, there are some tricky timing issues with this study, but the important thing is that you made everything fit and it sounds good. And that's what it's all about. Now, (don't take this the wrong way) are you sure you are 100% in tune with the backing track? To my old ears something sounds off. I notice that I sound out of tune on this study also, so it may just be me.  I might add that since this study is in Eb it is very difficult to try to fine tune to the backing track. One more observation and I'll leave.  I've always liked your tone on the studies you've up-loaded, but not so much on this one. Remember, there's still plenty of time to up-load another version. |
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Post by joachim on Jun 30, 2015 14:17:38 GMT -6
One more observation and I'll leave. I've always liked your tone on the studies you've up-loaded, but not so much on this one. Remember, there's still plenty of time to up-load another version. I might tune my guitar and upload another version You're right about the tone - I got a new modeling software, and I still need to play with it some more. |
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Post by cunningr on Jun 30, 2015 15:33:51 GMT -6
I agree with on the tone seems like it's got a little too much compression maybe. I have a pretty good version ready but still want to try to get it better.
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Post by Phil on Jun 30, 2015 17:59:23 GMT -6
I might tune my guitar and upload another version You're right about the tone - I got a new modeling software, and I still need to play with it some more. I would really like to know if you or anyone else thinks you might be slightly out of tune. I need to know if I'm hearing things correctly. If nobody else thinks there's a tuning problem then I have a problem. T-Bone, no smart-ass remarks about my hearing, please. |
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Post by jack1982 on Jul 1, 2015 7:34:12 GMT -6
I might tune my guitar and upload another version You're right about the tone - I got a new modeling software, and I still need to play with it some more. I would really like to know if you or anyone else thinks you might be slightly out of tune. I need to know if I'm hearing things correctly. If nobody else thinks there's a tuning problem then I have a problem. T-Bone, no smart-ass remarks about my hearing, please. Wish I could help you out Phil but being in tune isn't exactly my area of expertise |
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Post by bluesbruce on Jul 2, 2015 9:45:54 GMT -6
Joachim,
Sorry to reply even later than Tbone! I've just been really busy here lately, and been having problems with my laptop... I enjoyed hearing that. It's funny, if someone was just progressing thru BYCU, I think everyone would agree that was really good and you're ready to move on to the next lesson. Now, we've upped the ante, so to speak. I'd kind of like to hear a little more "dirt" or "grit" in the tone - I think that's what everyone else is sensing as well. As far as being in tune, what I'm hearing is that some of the bends are quite slow - not that they don't come to pitch, but that it's taking a lot of time to do so. I think that is giving the impression that the notes are flat or out of tune. Have you ever played with the "duration" of the bends in Guitar Pro? That might give you some idea what I'm rambling on about here. When you enter a bend, you can "adjust" whether you bend to that note quickly or slowly by dragging the graphical waveform. I wish I was computer savvy enough to post a picture here. Hmmmm....
Bruce
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Post by bluesbruce on Jul 2, 2015 9:56:47 GMT -6
  Well, maybe this explains some what I'm saying... Wish I could make those bigger, but I'm pretty proud that I was able to put them in there at all. The top one representing a "faster" bend than the lower, "slower" bend. Bruce |
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Post by joachim on Jul 2, 2015 13:57:45 GMT -6
Well, maybe this explains some what I'm saying... Wish I could make those bigger, but I'm pretty proud that I was able to put them in there at all. The top one representing a "faster" bend than the lower, "slower" bend. Bruce It explains it well Bruce, I should do another recording keeping that in mind. |
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Post by cunningr on Jul 2, 2015 14:45:30 GMT -6
Bruce is that a tool in guitar pro to practice bends with or is it for something else?
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Post by joachim on Jul 2, 2015 14:52:09 GMT -6
Bruce is that a tool in guitar pro to practice bends with or is it for something else? No, it's a tool for adjusting the speed of a bend. By default the a bend in GP6 reaches pitch halfway through the note duration (I think), but you can adjust it for each bend in your track. |
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Post by bluesbruce on Jul 2, 2015 18:06:05 GMT -6
Bruce is that a tool in guitar pro to practice bends with or is it for something else? No, it's a tool for adjusting the speed of a bend. By default the a bend in GP6 reaches pitch halfway through the note duration (I think), but you can adjust it for each bend in your track. Rich, GuitarPro is primarily a tab editing program, but it will also "play back" your tab. You can, as Joachim says, adjust how rapidly the bends reach the destination pitch. This is most noticeable in a long held note at a slow tempo (which Lazy Day Blues is full of). Joachim, yes, you can adjust every bend separately. Bruce |
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Post by cunningr on Jul 2, 2015 23:13:17 GMT -6
Ah thought maybe you could use it to analyze your bends graphically as a practice tool. Guess it's the old tuner still.
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Post by jack1982 on Jul 3, 2015 5:04:54 GMT -6
If you're using Reaper you can use ReaTune to analyze the bends graphically. Just go into the FX on your lead guitar track, choose VST: ReaTune, then towards the top of the window click on "correction" and put a check-mark in the "automatic pitch correction" box. As you play the track you'll get a graph like this:  with little green marks showing where it's correcting the pitch. For instance on the high note right in the middle, it looks like it's got grass growing on top of it; that's a flat bend and it's showing that it's correcting it upwards. I find it a very handy practice tool for telling where your bends are off and if they're sharp or flat. In case you're wondering it sounds like crap if you try to use it to auto-correct your bends lol. Especially if you bend something sharp, it lets it go sharp and then jams it back down to pitch. I don't think the algorithms are designed to deal with something as expressive as bends. |
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Post by cunningr on Jul 5, 2015 13:24:53 GMT -6
Well here is an artistic take of Lazy Day Blues. Not exactly perfect, a couple of glitches keep popping into the track, and the usual bend issue. Anyway thought I would try something different. Lazy Day Blues Effected version soundcloud.com/alabama-blues/lazydayblues-effectedHope you like the idea if not the execution  . |
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Post by joachim on Jul 5, 2015 14:45:49 GMT -6
Well here is an artistic take of Lazy Day Blues. Not exactly perfect, a couple of glitches keep popping into the track, and the usual bend issue. Anyway thought I would try something different. Lazy Day Blues Effected version soundcloud.com/alabama-blues/lazydayblues-effectedHope you like the idea if not the execution . Rich, it's definitely different - but kind of cool, actually! I also noticed a few places where timing sounded wrong, just as I had issues with timing myself. Overall I think you should be happy with your recording - it sounded easy and confident. It a nice feeling to be able play those studies with much greater ease than the first time around. Now I just wish all the other slow-pokes would climb down from their trees and record a version as well... |
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Post by cunningr on Jul 5, 2015 15:08:13 GMT -6
Thanks Joachim. Yeh timing is my biggest enemy albeit I am making vast improvements. I wanted to do something different, since we should have several versions, I prefer a more distorted tone without the wah, but since we are being creative I thought an alternative sound would be cool. I really wanted a more Robin Trower type sound sound but I couldn't get that univibe rotary sound just right.
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This is a really hard song to get just right and I admire your efforts.
I might add that since this study is in Eb it is very difficult to try to fine tune to the backing track. 
I've always liked your tone on the studies you've up-loaded, but not so much on this one. 
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