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Post by joachim on Apr 24, 2015 15:19:47 GMT -6
Those of you who worked on lesson 21 in BRYCU (or those with good ears and idle time), did you think that John played something else from the tabs in measure 8 and 9?
It sounds to me like the last part of measure 8 on the demo track is
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--5----5---
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but the tabs say
-------6---
-------6---
-------6---
--5----5---
----0--6---
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which sounds awful to me when I play it. And right after it in measure 9 the strumming on the demo sounds different from the tabs; the demo strums two fully fretted D9 chords in the beginning, which is different from the tabs.
Also probably the slide-in at the end of measure 3 is from F#7 to G7, which makes fingering a whole lot easier than what's in the tabs.
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Post by Phil on Apr 24, 2015 17:57:03 GMT -6
I'm not working through the BRYCU at this time, but I'll take a look tomorrow if I can. If I were you I'd trust my ear more than the tab. I found 2 things in "Cheap Runs" just recently where the tab varies from the recording. However, in this case it sounds just fine either way. If you found something that sounds off as written, than it surely is an error in the tab. This happens a lot, and not just in BYCU. I have a chord melody course from Truefire where the tab definitely varies from what the guy is saying and showing in the video.
Fortunately, you have the ear (and the sense)to figure out that something is wrong. How many guys (like me in the past)just assume the tab must be correct and get frustrated when they play exactly as the tab is written and it differs from what they are hearing on the recording. This presents a real problem for beginners when they can't figure out what is going wrong.
You have uncovered more mistakes than anyone else here, so trust your ear and your instincts.
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Post by bluesbruce on Apr 24, 2015 18:45:09 GMT -6
Joachim, The easy part first: I think you're absolutely correct about the end of measure 3. This should be just like the end of measure 4. If you look at the musical notation, it's the same in both measures. i think that is clearly a typo. I didn't even notice that in playing this one. Now as far as the end of measure 8, I played it like it's tabbed in the book (which corresponds with the musical notation). This run occurs at about 0:35 and again at 1:21 in my video. It occurs at about 0:34 on JG's demo. I isolated this on Amazing Slow Downer, and I think it's played as tabbed in the book - an open 5th string A, then the D#9-D9 chords. Try playing just the bass notes - 0-6-5 on the fifth string, see what you think. I'm sticking with this interpretation as the ONLY possible correct interpretation, and if this is played in any other fashion, this entire forum board is probably going to crash, taking the remainder of all human artistic endeavors with it. A lot is riding on how you play this, Joachim. There are lives in the balance. Don't let us down. Please. Now in measure 9, I think JG omits the first bass note (on the "and" of beat one). I think I play it on my video. I think we'll allow some artistic license on whether you choose to play this note or not. Joachim, please recognize this as an attempt at levity, and don't take my offbeat comments too seriously. I think it's cool that you listen with such detail. I'm kind of a proponent of the theory that "if it sounds good, it is good", and I bet when you play this one, it will sound good AND it will be good. Bruce  |
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Post by joachim on Apr 24, 2015 23:34:19 GMT -6
Bruce, no offense taken - I know it's not essential. I just thought I'd bring it up, since I was wondering. And as I mentioned playing the open A string sounded wrong to me - and when you think about it an A note seems a little misplaced since the tune is in the key of G.
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Post by Phil on Apr 25, 2015 4:07:09 GMT -6
Joachim, OK. Since Bruce took the time to look into this, I'll take a peek. I just checked it out and have to agree with Bruce. The 2nd to the last note in measure 8 is an "A" played on the open 5th string. Now, if you sit on that note it does bit sound off. However, if you play it as it should be played (an 8th note triplet) it's very short and makes a nice approach and resolution to the D9, A > Eb > D. It also makes sense from a fingering point of view. Try playing only the notes G > A > Eb > D with the A on the 7th fret of 4th string and you'll hear how nicely they fit together. So, forget everything I said about trusting your ear.  Just kidding. It's good to bring up questions like this. It forces us to think and analyze things as well as to listen more closely. |
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Post by jack1982 on Apr 25, 2015 4:44:17 GMT -6
taking the remainder of all human artistic endeavors with it. I was trying to write a solo for Got The Drive last night and I think that may have already happened  |
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Post by bluesbruce on Apr 25, 2015 5:42:58 GMT -6
I think Phil has got it right. The open A is used as a quick passing note, and works in this context. But if you slow it down, that note kind of sounds off. I totally agree that it's good to bring up questions like this, exactly because it forces us to think about the notes we're playing and why they work (or maybe don't work), and these kind of details make you a better musician.
Bruce
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Post by joachim on Apr 25, 2015 13:33:57 GMT -6
I think you're right about the open A string, Bruce and Phil. Thanks for taking the time to weigh in on this.
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