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Post by cunningr on Nov 8, 2014 12:40:14 GMT -6
Hi All, I have been working hard on this recording, still not perfect still having some trouble hitting the bend and hold on the second string 9th fret. Anyway here it is for the pounding, I think good enough to move on to the next lesson though. soundcloud.com/alabama-blues/lazydayblues1-1Thanks, Rich PS. This was recorded using the PearlyGate Pickup Bridge Position I just installed. Feel free to comment on the tone. I did add some small bit of reverb and compression during post processing otherwise, pocket pod to GarageBand. |
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Post by bluesbruce on Nov 8, 2014 13:54:33 GMT -6
Rich,
The good news is that your timing is showing definite improvement. The bad news is you're still ahead of the beat almost the entire song. I don't want to just sound negative, but I also don't want to just be chiming in with "great job" when it still needs work. Like I said, though, I think your timing is showing clear progress. This one is much better than you last several posts. Maybe try stomping your foot, or maybe try singing or humming it instead of playing it on the guitar to try to concentrate on the timing.
Bruce
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Post by Phil on Nov 8, 2014 16:29:25 GMT -6
I tapped my foot and Bruce is right. You are playing ahead of the beat in many places. I'll point out one example: the pick up measure and measures 1 and 2 are okay, but the 4th beat of measure 3 (the quadruplet?) is started too soon which throws off the flow. You do the same thing in a few other places. But overall it's not too bad and your tone is good.
Somehow you've got to get a handle on this timing issue. You're getting better, so you are doing something right. I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but Griff Hamlin has the best solution for this with his constant pounding on developing the ability to count out loud while playing.
I can't find it, but he has a video where he plays a well known song using the correct notes and terrible rhythm, and then another song with the wrong notes and the correct rhythm. The 1st song is unrecognizable, but the 2nd song can be recognized even though he's playing the wrong notes. The point of the video is to drive home the absolute importance of rhythm/timing.
Given the amount of time that Hamlin spends harping on this subject is a clear indication that it is a major problem with guitar students. It's also a solvable problem. So, hang in there. You are making progress and will get this.
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Post by jack1982 on Nov 8, 2014 16:47:29 GMT -6
You're definitely moving in the right direction Rich, still some work to do to get it "right on" and the phrasing isn't quite there yet, mostly due to kind of rushing everything, but you're certainly improving  I like the expressiveness of it, I can hear some emotion in there. I think your guitar tone is very nice too, I like those Pearly Gates! I usually use the neck pickup for this mellow blues stuff, it gives it a more "singing" tone, but of course that's just a matter of taste. What volume are you playing the backing track at when you play along with it? Maybe try turning it up louder so those drum beats really stand out. If the neighbor's ain't calling the cops on you, ya ain't doing it right  |
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Post by cunningr on Nov 9, 2014 4:27:59 GMT -6
Thanks for all of the feedback, yeh I really got to get a handle on the timing. I do tap my and count the beats, so not sure what to do. I have been recording with the backing track and the comparing to the practice tract to check my timing I have them in exact sync, and have been almost spot on. However, after Bruce pointed out my timing was off I think I may forgot to chec this one. Will work on it some and give it another go in a week.
I usally record with head phones on using garage band to loop my track. I add a practice layer and a backing track layer trim to get have them syncd then switch between the 2 to see if my timing is going in the right direction.
My neighbors are probably pissed already my son is starting a metal band in my basement, he is the drummer.
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Post by joachim on Nov 9, 2014 6:24:22 GMT -6
Rich,
I noticed myself that if I recording along the demo track, then my timing is really good, but when I record over the backing track then the timing can drift - it's not uncommon, I think. The important thing is that you're making noticable progress at every recording, so just keep at it...
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Post by jack1982 on Nov 9, 2014 6:36:40 GMT -6
If your son's starting a metal band, the neighbors may skip the cops and go straight to calling the military That timing will just come eventually as you keep at it, we all go through that. I remember when I first got my drum machine and that was the most bizarre thing ever, I couldn't even get it sync'd up to a song - the song would for instance be at 100 bpm and I'd set the drum machine at 150 bpm, so I had six beats per measure instead of four, but that sounded about right to me I think eventfully you just get a feel for that repetitive nature of the drums repeating pretty much the same thing bar after bar, and you kind of internalize that and get real comfortable with it. And you have to devote a certain portion of your brain to listening to the backing track and taking your cues from it, and the rest of the brain can then play the guitar in sync' with it. That's another thing that took me quite a while to get going. But you'll get there Rich  |
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Post by bluesbruce on Nov 9, 2014 7:28:17 GMT -6
I like Phil's suggestion a la Griff Hamlin - counting out loud while playing. I'd take it one step farther and say count out loud with your backing track WITHOUT playing. I know I had mentioned it in another thread, but I really like counting a swing type 12 bar blues as: ONE-and-a-two-and-a-three-and-a-four-and-a-TWO-and-a-two-and-a-three-and-a-four-and-a-THREE-and-a-two-and-a-three-and-a-four-and-a-FOUR-and-a-two-and-a-three-and-a-four-and-a-FIVE-and-a-two-and-a-three-and-a-four-and-a-SIX-and-a-two-and-a-three-and-a-four-and-a-SEN'-and-a-two-and-a-three-and-a-four-and-a-EIGHT-and-a-two-and-a-three-and-a-four-and-a-NINE... I think this style of counting not only gets you on the beat, but also gets you thinking of where you are in the 12 bar progression.
I'm really intrigued by the Hamlin video that Phil references of him playing the correct notes in the wrong time versus playing the wrong notes in the correct time, and the wrong notes in the correct time sounding more recognizable. In fact, it might be fun to try to produce video like that...
Bruce
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Post by Phil on Nov 9, 2014 8:15:51 GMT -6
.....I like Phil's suggestion a la Griff Hamlin - counting out loud while playing. I'd take it one step farther and say count out loud with your backing track WITHOUT playing. ....... I'm really intrigued by the Hamlin video that Phil references of him playing the correct notes in the wrong time versus playing the wrong notes in the correct time, and the wrong notes in the correct time sounding more recognizable. In fact, it might be fun to try to produce video like that... Bruce That's an excellent idea. It's a good thing to do along with the full version also to get a feel for things. It's not a bad idea to also look at the tab while counting and listening. In fact, that's what I did when listening to Rich's recording. I recently saw that video. Now I can't find it on his website.  |
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Post by cunningr on Nov 9, 2014 13:49:27 GMT -6
Thanks for the suggestions I am trying the counting while listening to both the backing tract and the practice track. It gotta get this, I have gotten a couple of takes that were almost spot on today based of comparing to the practice track, always a little fluctuation due to human error. Will give it another's week practicing and start looking at the next lesson.
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I like the expressiveness of it, I can hear some emotion in there. I think your guitar tone is very nice too, I like those Pearly Gates! I usually use the neck pickup for this mellow blues stuff, it gives it a more "singing" tone, but of course that's just a matter of taste.
