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Post by cunningr on Sept 14, 2014 11:51:28 GMT -6
Hi, ok been working diligently on the timing, not a perfect take but I need an objective listen to see if my timing is coming around. I played the tune so much it's starting to blur. I also played using GB emulation single coil see if the tone sounds less processed, I am trying to locate the processed sound error. soundcloud.com/alabama-blues/bends-slides-shiftsv2thanks, rick
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Post by Phil on Sept 14, 2014 12:40:19 GMT -6
Okay, here's an objective opinion: it's better, but still needs lots of work. You are right on in some measures and then lose it in others, especially in the last 3 measure - which are difficult. I kind of liked the tone in the 1st one, but tone is subjective. Timing is objective and it's either in time or out of time.
You're moving in the right direction. I know it's frustrating to spend hours on something only to discover that it still needs more work. Leave this alone for a week and do something else. In the meantime make an mp3 of the original and listen to it in your car until it's imbedded in your brain. Count while you listen.
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Post by cunningr on Sept 14, 2014 12:45:03 GMT -6
Thanks exactly what I was looking for, not sure what happens at the turn and ending I am counting everything, will work some rhythms and start next lesson this week. At least the bends seem pretty good. See you tomorrow.
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Post by Phil on Sept 14, 2014 12:49:49 GMT -6
Yes, I did forget to mention that the bends sound good. It's too bad we don't live closer. I could show you in about 5 minutes where the problems are, because I had similar problems with this study.
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Post by jack1982 on Sept 14, 2014 13:59:31 GMT -6
Yeah definitely moving in the right direction. The whole middle part seems pretty good now. Oh an I liked the guitar sound on the first one better - sorry I didn't mean to say something that would leave you trying to figure out what was wrong with your setup, we were just talking about the high output pickups that came on our guitars in that other thread and I was just saying that yeah, that's the way those tend to sound and you'll notice a big difference if/when you replace them, that's all
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Post by cunningr on Sept 14, 2014 14:27:58 GMT -6
Jack thanks, no worries I guess I have this tone in my head and can't seem to get there I will probably order those pups in the next week or two.
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Post by blackcountrymick on Sept 14, 2014 15:46:13 GMT -6
Rich, first off, it is so nearly there now, you are getting most of the notes most of the time but the phrasing goes adrift here and there. I think this has been said before but you maybe putting the song to the backing track before you know it well enough and so are actually putting time into learning parts that are not correct and imprinting this in your mind instead of the original song if that makes sense. I am as guilty of this as anyone but it does help to keep going back and playing with John's version from time to time even after you think you know inside out, it will help to keep it on track.
Cheers, Mick
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Post by cunningr on Sept 14, 2014 15:53:10 GMT -6
I know what you mean. I made me a file where John is on a tract and the backing track on another, so I can record with the backing track then add the practice track in to check my timing, plus it makes it easy to practice with John and the switch over to the backing track to record. I think I have all the song memorized, I have even gone back to double check some parts I think maybe I drift off into the music and forget where I am. I am going to give it a rest and start on the next lesson and work on my rhythm book some. I appreciate all the help.
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Post by cunningr on Sept 21, 2014 8:11:00 GMT -6
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Post by Phil on Sept 21, 2014 9:24:01 GMT -6
You are getting there. It's better, but still a lot of problems. You are still holding the full bend in bar-1 for more than 2 beats and starting the 1st triplet almost on beat 4. The 1st triplet falls right smack on beat 3. That's throwing you off in bar-2, but you get back on track on the 4th beat of bar-3 and stay right in time all the way through bar-10. Things get dicey again in bars 11 & 12. You did a nice job on the last beat of bar-8. I had a tough time getting that right. Bars 11 & 12 are tricky and you really have to pay attention to the standard notation to get the timing right. In bar-12 it is very difficult to play that partial chord and immediately play that bend on the very next beat. But, you already know that. I would work on the problem measures (1,2,11, and 12) in isolation until you get them down. I mean isolate the measures, not isolate yourself.
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Post by cunningr on Sept 21, 2014 9:32:14 GMT -6
Ok thanks, the problem I am having with the first bend is when I stop it at beat 2 it feels chopped or at least sounds chopped. Will concentrate on those measures.
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Post by Phil on Sept 21, 2014 10:10:25 GMT -6
Ok thanks, the problem I am having with the first bend is when I stop it at beat 2 it feels chopped or at least sounds chopped. Will concentrate on those measures. Deal with releasing the bend later. That's fine tuning. The timing is much more important. Once you get that 1st measure down you'll be good to go until measure 11. Those last 2 measures may take a little more time to work out.
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Post by cunningr on Sept 21, 2014 13:36:47 GMT -6
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Post by Phil on Sept 21, 2014 16:15:37 GMT -6
Jeez, Rich. You are persistent. You're almost there. I'm not gonna tell where you are off. Let this rest for a few days then go back and listen while looking at the tab. You'll see where you are off, and it's not in any of the really tricky measures. You got most of them down pretty good now. OK, I'll tell you 1 problem. You're have trouble getting the 4th beat of bar 12 on time. Now there's only 1 other measure that's out of time, but you'll have to find it. I had to practice the 3rd and 4th beats of the bar 12, just those by themselves, over and over again to be able to hit that chord and then do that bend. It doesn't seem that it should be difficult, because your ring finger is right there on the 9th fret already from playing the chord. But it drove me nuts trying to get it smooth and right on the 4th beat. And I don't think I ever did get it really smooth.
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Post by cunningr on Sept 21, 2014 23:11:38 GMT -6
Thanks Phil, I had to give it another go. Yeh measure 12 I can't quite nail the re entry. I will keep working on it and try recording next Sunday again.
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