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Post by cunningr on Sept 10, 2014 10:27:48 GMT -6
Well I checked my neck today for the bow it was way out of tolerance. I have a carvin dc200, and still have the original instructions and receipt. Anyway according to the instructions you take a straight edge and a feeler gauge the tolerance was no more than .015" and no less than .005" between 7 the fret and the straight edge I was guessing .020". Well the instructions said open truss rod use included wrench and if more than .015" then turn nut clockwise well I was nervous but thought what the hell tweaked it a little at a time checking the gap and got it to optimum of .010". Maybe in my head but it seemed to play better, did some back in black jamming with my son on drums at least the parts I know.
Next i I am going to upgrade the pups to Seymour Duncan Pearly gates, I heard my same guitar model with those pups and wow what tone.
i guess the moto here is don't be scared to work on your own equipment, just go slow and carefully.
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Post by Phil on Sept 10, 2014 15:24:35 GMT -6
I'll have to get you to check out my guit-fiddle. I don't have a long enough straight edge. It's funny - a couple of months ago I didn't know there was such a thing called "neck relief" and now I can't help thinking about whether mine is set correctly. Maybe ignorance really is bliss.
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Post by cunningr on Sept 10, 2014 16:08:53 GMT -6
Yeh I have been ignoring it, but decided to just give it a quick check and decide out of tolerance is probably bad. Anyway I have a straight edge I can give you. It was an steel shelf bracket I bought but didn't fit the wall piece goes all the way down the neck. I bring it in Monday.
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Post by tabeck5 on Sept 10, 2014 18:20:29 GMT -6
Dan Erlewine has a great discussion on neck relief in his book the Guitar Player repair guide, a few takeaways, you don't necessarily need a straight edge, simple put a capo on the first fret and then fret then fretting at the 17th fret, simply use a feeler gauge to see how much room you have between the bottom of the string to the top of the 7th fret. It should range anywhere from almost dead flat to .012" (Fender Factory Spec). Some players, prefer alot of relief, I think BB King had something like .030", of course there are tradeoffs with any adjustment. Truss rod adjustments are easy to do, BUT do them slowly. I usually release tension on the strings then give it a quarter turn and then wait to give it time for the neck to respond, tune to pitch and then do it again, sometimes a very slow process but easier than replacing a broken truss rod. Also, anytime you change string guages (i.e. going to a heavier set from a light set) your guitar may require a truss rod adjustment, humidity, temperature, change in seasons, etc can also have an effect, I usually check mine every time I change the strings, but then again I am constantly tinkering with action, relief, pickup height etc.
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Post by jack1982 on Sept 11, 2014 4:35:53 GMT -6
Yeah that's how I check my truss rod too, put a capo on the first fret, fret the high E at the highest fret on the guitar, then check the distance between the string and the frets either at the 7th or 9th, I can't remember. I do that for a start but then check if I can play and do bends all over the neck without fret buzz and then tweak it accordingly. I love those Seymour Duncan pickups, I just put a '59 in the neck position on my Ibanez and the next project is to get another '59 for the bridge (the bridge version has slightly higher output than the neck version, so they should be a really nice match). I just love the vintage tone from those. Seymour Duncan has a whole selection of vintage output humbuckers, I'll have to buy a whole bunch of guitars so I can try them all LOL Their custom shop even has some Pearly Gates that are made to fit in a Strat, I wonder what those would sound like.
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Post by tabeck5 on Sept 11, 2014 7:22:34 GMT -6
I had an Ibanez hollow body and I put the SD 59 humbuckers in it, I loved those pickups, I traded it in for a Fender Princeton Reverb, I should have taken the pickups out because they were incredible. IMHO the best PAF humbuckers out there. I bought a great little MIM FSR strat, an HSS model and I put in a set of Rio Grande pickups, they were a bit on the expensive side but the guitar sounds great,
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Post by cunningr on Sept 11, 2014 9:33:42 GMT -6
Yeh I found a vid in YouTube of a Carvin DC200 with a Pearly gate in the neck and a custom custom in the bridge, tone was excellent it has me thinking it might Quincy my wanting a new guitar fever some. At the Seymour Duncan site I used the tone finder where you set guitar wood type and fretboard wood type and music style for recommended pickups, mine had pearly gates and antiquity now sound clips for the antiquity. I love the feel of my carvin but have always felt something was missing on the tone.
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Post by tabeck5 on Sept 11, 2014 16:54:22 GMT -6
One way to change the tone of HBs (or any pickup for that matter) is to change the height, it can have a pretty big impact, for HB start with about 1/16 inch between bridge pickup and strings and 3/32 inch (when you depress the string at the last fret). The measurement for both bass and treble should be about the same. Mess around with the height, close you get more output, further away a bit more warmth, cheaper and easier than changing out a pickup. The only other HB that I liked as much as the Duncan 59 is the Gibson 57 classic and 57 classic plus (Bridge Pickup), I purchased a Les Paul thinking I would change them with the Duncan's and decided it was not worth it at all.
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Post by cunningr on Sept 12, 2014 0:10:39 GMT -6
Thanks I think I will give it a try
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Post by jack1982 on Sept 12, 2014 5:47:58 GMT -6
Yeh I found a vid in YouTube of a Carvin DC200 with a Pearly gate in the neck and a custom custom in the bridge, tone was excellent it has me thinking it might Quincy my wanting a new guitar fever some. At the Seymour Duncan site I used the tone finder where you set guitar wood type and fretboard wood type and music style for recommended pickups, mine had pearly gates and antiquity now sound clips for the antiquity. I love the feel of my carvin but have always felt something was missing on the tone. Yeah I noticed in their tone wizard that the type of wood seems to make all the difference. My Ibanez has an alder body and rosewood fretboard and it will recommend the same pickups no matter what style of music I specify, from blues to heavy metal. I was also thinking of getting a new guitar but then I thought well, I've got a perfectly good Ibanez, why don't I just put some decent pickups in it and then I'll be able to use it for something other than metal lol.
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Post by cunningr on Sept 12, 2014 9:28:26 GMT -6
Jack you kind of hit the nail on the head, when I bought my carvin I ordered it with hot pick ups for metal, now my taste have changed. I did finally get a good tone profile set up in my pocket pod finally, I am going to try using a line input to my mac throughout apogee and see if it holds the tone when I record in garageband.
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Post by Phil on Sept 12, 2014 14:06:13 GMT -6
Truss rod trouble? Nah, just check on YT and DIY!!! Oh, no!!! T-Bone just chopped his guitars into firewood!!!
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