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Post by wannaplayblues on Aug 6, 2014 17:22:48 GMT -6
Well, I've had a few simple ideas buzzing in my head so decided to try to get something on paper. As it's my first *ever* attempt at writing music, I tried to keep it simple and used software to help me do it. A big nod to @johng as it's *very* much based upon Texas Rock, hence the name "Texas Hope" but with my work from Blues Rhythms You Can Use, I added a chromatic approach chord which I think works well. I also tried some form of melodic ending before the final chord. It should work being played to the Texas Rock backing track. Thoughts and comments welcome! Attachment link follows: Texas_Hope.pdf (37.7 KB) |
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Post by bluesbruce on Aug 6, 2014 17:27:33 GMT -6
wpb,
Are you going to play it for us?
Bruce
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Post by Phil on Aug 7, 2014 2:27:18 GMT -6
Your name is "WannaPLAYblues" not "WannaWRITEbluesinPDFformat."  I didn't bring my guitar to work today, so I guess I'll have to wait until I get home to see what this sounds like. Unless, of course, you can provide us with a recording.  It sure looks interesting. |
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Post by blackcountrymick on Aug 7, 2014 2:56:18 GMT -6
I've just had a quick run through on my guitar, nice job wpb . What software did you use? Guitar Pro? I've not tried it with Texas Rock BT yet but it sure sounds as though it will fit well. |
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Post by wannaplayblues on Aug 7, 2014 3:15:44 GMT -6
I've just had a quick run through on my guitar, nice job wpb . What software did you use? Guitar Pro? I've not tried it with Texas Rock BT yet but it sure sounds as though it will fit well. Thanks, much appreciated. I used MuseScore (http://musescore.org/) it's opensource. The version I used is from the 2.0 branch, as it's got all the features for guitar that the current 1.3 doesn't have. I think it's classed as the "Nightly" build on the download page, which means it could be unstable at times. I use Linux, so the hard work is done for me by my package manager. I get the feeling everyone wants me to record this one  I'll see what I can do - but what I'd really like is to have a forum rendition of it, so if someone wants to do drums, and another bass guitar and another rhythm guitar, etc. it'd make my day. |
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Post by jack1982 on Aug 7, 2014 5:34:04 GMT -6
I played through it a couple of times and it sounds really cool, definitely has that Texas Rock feeling going on. I could post a drum line similar to Texas Rock if you'd like, and I know Mick's a legendary bass player, not just an on-again off-again guitarist who bought a bass a few weeks ago like me, so maybe you could get him involved too  EDIT: here's a little drum track I made up: soundcloud.com/jack-c8/texas-hope Seems to fit Texas Rock fairly well. Let me know if you would like anything changed. |
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Post by wannaplayblues on Aug 7, 2014 15:16:49 GMT -6
Ok, ok, I got the hint from everyone, so here is my recording. Note quite perfect, but has the right feel: soundcloud.com/wannalearnguitar/texas-hopejack1982 - That's awesome dude. Now we just need a bass part and we're sorted  Well, I guess that's what John had in mind for us to do with his Input, hence the title "Blues You Can Use" This leads me to a question - at what point is something plagiarism? I mean, I assume @johng is ok with this and my efforts, but perhaps he expects royalties Seriously though, at what point is it wrong to take music and personalise it? I know educational books pretty much allow you to do so - but the lines seem blurred in the real world: I read of blues players listening to each other and trying to copy the licks, then I read of law suits for music sounding too similar (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/03/showbiz/music/led-zeppelin-stairway-to-heaven-suit/). I'm confused on this... |
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Post by cunningr on Aug 7, 2014 16:00:48 GMT -6
Well I like it, sounds cool. As far as plagiarism goes I think in this case your safe as long as you provide credit to John. However I would say that publishing and earning money would require some type of agreement between the writers. Intellectual property is a really touchy subject.
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Post by blackcountrymick on Aug 7, 2014 16:54:49 GMT -6
If John comes after you for royalties tell him Bruce made you play it, and tbone says it's blues you can use!! (rofl). |
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Post by bluesbruce on Aug 7, 2014 17:25:34 GMT -6
wpb, Now that's more like it! Sounds cool! Much better than that pdf sounded! Nice job, writing and playing. Now in regards to plagiarism... oops, got to go pick up my wife, I'll come back to this topic Bruce |
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Post by bluesbruce on Aug 7, 2014 19:13:31 GMT -6
Okay, back to the above...
My simplistic understanding is that (in the US) you can copyright a melody and you can copyright lyrics, you can even copyright recognizable riffs or "hooks", but you cannot copyright a chord progression. So, no one can claim a copyright on the 12 bar blues... So, the question would be did you steal that melody or riffs. Of course, this is all open to interpretation by the courts.
On a practical side, if JG decided you had stolen his song, and contacted his lawyer, you would probably at worst receive a "cease and desist" letter threatening you with legal action if you don't quit playing or publishing it. Now lawyers here in the US are a practical lot, and if they don't see some money to be made, they don't want to spend any time on a matter. Now if "Texas Hope" becomes the all-time greatest selling recording, JG's lawyer will have a lot more interest in this matter.
There is a .gov website somewhere that apparently discusses copyrighting your music. Of course, US laws don't apply all over the world - so this becomes a big matter for international law. It is also, apparently, a highly specialized area of law, and if you go to you local attorney, they can probably only refer you to a more specialized lawyer...
Bruce
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Post by jack1982 on Aug 8, 2014 5:33:45 GMT -6
That was really, really good WPB! You've got a lot of great ideas - I love to hear people expressing their creativity, it's the most important part of being a musician IMO. As far as plagiarism, I'd just put something in the description on SoundCloud like "Backing track from the song 'Texas Rock' from the book 'Blues You Can Use' by John Ganapes" and then describe the lead part as being based upon / inspired by that song. That way you've given credit where credit is due. You have to remember that you have a large potential audience on SoundCloud and most of them aren't familiar with the books and will naturally assume that you did the bass and drums yourself and that the song is totally original. And you already said in your first post that the song is "very much based upon Texas Rock" so you're fine here |
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Post by Phil on Aug 8, 2014 6:19:30 GMT -6
I don't think WPB has anything to worry about legally. Music like Blues and Flamenco seems to evolve like this: you hear something, attempt to copy it, and end up, as the Flamenco players say, "Putting your own stamp on it." Once you do that it's yours. Then somebody copies you and the evolution continues. Hell, I can recognize the origins of several studies from BYCU. It's always been done this way and always will.
Some of the more famous plagiarism (is that the proper term for copying music?) law suits are kind of funny. Whoever owns the rights to John Lee Hooker's stuff sued ZZ Top over "LaGrange" saying they copied "Boogie Chillen." Well, "LaGrange" sounds nothing like "Boogie Chillen", but sounds EXACTLY like Slim Harpo's "Shake your Hips." And they didn't get sued by Harpo. Go figure.
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Post by Phil on Aug 11, 2014 12:56:04 GMT -6
Here's an interesting quote I just came across.
"Blues guitar styles have evolved through new players borrowing material from past masters and putting their own twists on it." John Ganapes, "Blues Licks You Can Use," page 3.
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Post by jack1982 on Nov 6, 2014 7:12:51 GMT -6
I posted a Sunday Morning Improv thing a while back and even threatened everyone with a grade of incomplete for the class if they didn't participate, but do you suppose I got any participation? I'll have to try again, maybe just make up a backing track and post it. Or maybe you could do something Tbone, put all your motivational skills to use |
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Post by Phil on Nov 6, 2014 15:41:38 GMT -6
I posted a Sunday Morning Improv thing a while back and even threatened everyone with a grade of incomplete for the class if they didn't participate, but do you suppose I got any participation? I'll have to try again, maybe just make up a backing track and post it. Or maybe you could do something Tbone, put all your motivational skills to use How can I be expected to participate in a "Sunday Morning Improv" when I'm still recovering from Saturday night?  |
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Post by cunningr on Nov 8, 2014 13:38:55 GMT -6
I might give it a shot even though I'll be recovering from Saturday nights dance class.
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It sure looks interesting.
I'll see what I can do - but what I'd really like is to have a forum rendition of it, so if someone wants to do drums, and another bass guitar and another rhythm guitar, etc. it'd make my day.
