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Post by cunningr on May 4, 2015 14:12:02 GMT -6
Ok I need some help on the lesson part of 18. I am trying to understand where the chords go after you move up a pattern. Pattern 1 I got, so now I move to pattern 2 do I move up 2 frets or stay on the root fret of the Key I am in for example A, how do I know where the chord root is?
Thanks,
Rich
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Post by jack1982 on May 4, 2015 17:52:52 GMT -6
You should be able to see the I chords here (I did it in the key of F so they all fit nicely on the diagram):  The I chord for pattern 1 is on the first fret, root on low E. The I chord for pattern 2 has its root on the 3rd fret D string (the 5th of the chord is in the bass) The I chord for pattern 3 has its root on the 8th fret A string The I chord for pattern 4 also has its root on the 8th fret A string. The I chord for pattern 5 has its root on the 10th fret G string (the 5th is in the bass) For the IV chord, which is A# in the key of F, use this diagram:  pattern 1 has it's root on the 1st fret A string pattern 2 is the 3rd fret G string pattern 3 is 6th fret low E pattern 4 is 8th fret D string pattern 5 is also 8th fret D string. For the V chord, which is C in this key:  I leave those to figure out yourself  As far as the scale, I imagine it would make the most sense to pick the box from pentatonic minor that corresponds to the position on the fretboard of the set of chords you're playing.  For the minor 7th chords on the next page, you can go to the scale generator here: www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator/ and under the diagram, choose which key you want, then choose "minor scale", and next to "positions" hit "all" and it's kind of the same with different chord shapes of course. (Mixolydian mode corresponds to the dominant 7th chords with its major 3rd and b7th, the minor scale aka Aeolian mode corresponds to the minor 7th chords with its minor 3rd and b7th) Oh and don't forget to do that in every key Rich  |
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Post by cunningr on May 4, 2015 22:41:34 GMT -6
Thanks jack, this is what Phil explained but I wasn't seeing. So now I need to put some chords forms along with your diagram. So in the book it has major and minor chords for the pattern so for chords in major does it mean major scale position 1 box which is like a minor position 2 shape?
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Post by jack1982 on May 5, 2015 4:54:09 GMT -6
I think you're supposed to play minor pentatonic over both of them; if you look at the second sentence on page 74 John just says minor pentatonic. That "clash" of the minor 3rd of the scale over the major 3rd of the dominant 7th chord is a big part of the blues sound. For finding the chords within the diagrams, here's pattern 2 on page 74 (please excuse my pathetic MS Paint skills ) I chord  IV chord:  V chord:  Those are all on the third fret so you'd play box #2 of the F pentatonic minor scale.  And you just follow the same procedure for the the other three patterns. |
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Post by cunningr on May 5, 2015 9:45:20 GMT -6
Yeh I see it now the chord root is on the 4 string F. I think I was visualizing the patterns off the 1st and 6th strings. This really helping me a lot tonight I am going to use your diagrams along with the book and find them on the guitar.
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Post by jack1982 on May 5, 2015 12:57:22 GMT -6
Yeah, if you look at the first diagram (F Mixolydian) and take the notes of that scale (you can just read them going up the low E string) they're F, G, A, A#, C, D and D#. If you take every-other note you get F, A, C and D# - those are the root, third, fifth and seventh of the F dominant 7 chord. So when you're matching up the chord shapes from the book with the scale diagram, you can see how those chord shapes fall over those notes.
Same with the IV chord - A# Mixolydian is A#, C, D, D#, F, G and G#, so the notes of the A# dominant 7th chord are A#, D, F and G#. The V chord - C Mixolydian is C, D, E, F, G, A, and A#, so the chord tones of the C dominant 7th chord are C, E, G and A#.
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Post by cunningr on May 5, 2015 13:46:01 GMT -6
Jack the link to the chord generator is really helping me out I can generate the pattern in the key and really see how the chords fit in. I think all in need to do is to memorize one key then I can just shift it around.
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Post by bluesbruce on May 5, 2015 16:14:17 GMT -6
For the minor 7th chords on the next page, you can go to the scale generator here: www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator/ and under the diagram, choose which key you want, then choose "minor scale", and next to "positions" hit "all" and it's kind of the same with different chord shapes of course. Jack, Cool link! Thanks for sharing that! Bruce |
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Post by Phil on May 5, 2015 17:02:01 GMT -6
Rich,
I think it would greatly benefit you to look at the five dominant chord shapes and memorize where the Root, 3rd, 5th, and b7 is in each shape. 4 of the shapes contain all four scale degrees and one has 2 roots and no 5th. If you figure this out on your own you'll remember it better. I would do this even before trying to learn the actual note names.
The point of this exercise is to show that you can stay in one position and play the I, IV and V chords AND play the appropriate Pentatonic box in the same position. You might be over-thinking this lesson.
Jack,
That link is very helpful. Thanks for posting it.
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