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Post by cunningr on Mar 7, 2015 11:54:20 GMT -6
Well here it is first shot at Hard Edge Blues at Full Tempo not perfect as I have a cut right next to my callous on my ring finger. I also am testing an experiment with the mix. I recorded 2 tracks playing over the backing track, basically got one track I liked, made duplicate settings then played another track as close as possible to the first then paned one a little left and one a little right. It suppose to fatten the guitar part up, I am not sure I like it but it is different. Anyway I think timing is much improved since I started the tune on the correct beat  which drastically helps timing. soundcloud.com/alabama-blues/hard-edge-blues-v1-normalGuitar ES-335, Amplitude Fender Dual Reverb emulator. |
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Post by jack1982 on Mar 7, 2015 12:07:38 GMT -6
I think your timing has improved tremendously Rich, and that's a hard song! Great job. Now the next project is getting those bends to pitch That was pretty cool with the double-tracked lead, it definitely fattens up the guitar sound. You've made some fantastic progress over the last few months, I salute you! (and have a beer on me)  |
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Post by cunningr on Mar 7, 2015 12:15:38 GMT -6
Thanks jack, that cut on my finger was affecting my bending it's right in my ring finger just under my callous string keeps slipping into it.
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Post by bluesbruce on Mar 7, 2015 13:24:51 GMT -6
Great job on the timing there, Rich! You have made great strides in this area, and I'd like to commend you on it. Your work to improve it is very apparent.
The double tracked guitar sound is kind of different. You can probably get the same sort of "feel" to apply a little bit of chorus or flanger, or even some distortion. I think the real trick with these kind of effects is the "little bit" part of it - if you turn these effects up too much, it just sounds kind of "gimmicky".
Bruce
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Post by cunningr on Mar 7, 2015 13:56:42 GMT -6
Thanks Bruce, as far as the double tracking I was reading an arrival in guitar Technique about recording and mixing guitars. The articulate mentioned using double tracking as a way to fatten the guitar, but it was important to record a second track using same settings because the little nuances that are different in the second track add to the fattening of the tone. It was a pretty interesting article by a professional studio engineer.
Thanks for the positive feedback, that was a damn hard song, I tried recording it Friday by mixing my amp but couldn't nail a decent take.
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Post by Phil on Mar 7, 2015 14:56:30 GMT -6
Rich, I think you got the timing issue resolved once and for all. The very fact that you could double track this one is proof of that. A little fine tuning on those bends (when your finger heals) and you'll have this one licked. I guess you'll be "Preachin' Gospel" now. Edit: Rich, do you have some kind of thing that auto-selects words for you when you type? I forgot what you call that, but the it makes your posts kind of fun to read.  |
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Post by blackcountrymick on Mar 7, 2015 16:11:24 GMT -6
Thanks Bruce, as far as the double tracking I was reading an arrival in guitar Technique about recording and mixing guitars. The articulate mentioned using double tracking as a way to fatten the guitar, but it was important to record a second track using same settings because the little nuances that are different in the second track add to the fattening of the tone. It was a pretty interesting article by a professional studio engineer. Thanks for the positive feedback, that was a damn hard song, I tried recording it Friday by mixing my amp but couldn't nail a decent take. First of all Rich I totally agree with Phil, Bruce and Jack, your progress is just phenomenal and your hard work and practice is really paying off (the awesome new Gibson will help also ). I have read that article too about double tracking and it is of course very enlightening but it is very difficult to achieve the tightness required for lead guitar (it also means you have to do a perfect take twice), I have had much better results applying this to rhythm guitar. Like Bruce says, you can use a small amount of chorus and reverb etc to thicken the sound, I have stereo chorus and delay pedals that can really enhance the base sound. Of course if you are using a DAW there are loads of tricks you can do with post production. Keep up the good work. |
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Post by Phil on Mar 7, 2015 17:37:28 GMT -6
Regarding double tracking: I think you could also simply duplicate the track in your DAW and pan 1 left and 1 right - maybe altering the tone slightly on one. In "Sweet Home Chicago" I did this with the rhythm. I didn't alter the tone with the modeling software. I EQ'd 1 track differently, put more reverb on it and pushed it back into the mix. You wouldn't do exactly that on the lead, of course. You'd want to have both tracks at equal volume, but the idea is similar.
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Post by cunningr on Mar 7, 2015 18:20:29 GMT -6
Mick is correct it takes 2 nearly flawless tracks to make the effect work, that's why in mine you can here me out of sync in a couple of spots. However the artical specifically mentioned to not duplicate the tracks because you need those minor flaws between the two tracks to sound right. i usually use a little delay, but I really wanted to try out the technique in the article. yes Phil my iPad has an auto correct that changes spellings on its on. Should see my post when write in Spanish, they get pretty damn cryptic  . |
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Post by jack1982 on Mar 8, 2015 8:25:00 GMT -6
If you want to thicken up the sound a bit, another technique is to add about 80 ms of delay with 0 feedback (no additional repeats after the first one) and set the "wet" at about 20%, that gives you a subtle slapback echo to simulate the sound of a real room. If you've got a stereo delay you can set one side to 80 ms and the other to 90 ms for even a bit more room ambiance.
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Post by Phil on Mar 8, 2015 10:32:27 GMT -6
If you want to thicken up the sound a bit, another technique is to add about 80 ms of delay with 0 feedback (no additional repeats after the first one) and set the "wet" at about 20%, that gives you a subtle slapback echo to simulate the sound of a real room. If you've got a stereo delay you can set one side to 80 ms and the other to 90 ms for even a bit more room ambiance. Man, Jack, you've really been paying attention to that Coursera Course. Any idea when it will be available again? |
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Post by jack1982 on Mar 8, 2015 11:01:52 GMT -6
I don't know, I think Joachim mentioned when they'll be available again, somewhere in some topic...somewhere If you go to the class page www.coursera.org/course/musicproduction under "sessions" and switch it to "future sessions" you can add it to your watch list, but it doesn't give a date when the next one starts. |
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Post by cunningr on Mar 8, 2015 11:09:46 GMT -6
If you want to thicken up the sound a bit, another technique is to add about 80 ms of delay with 0 feedback (no additional repeats after the first one) and set the "wet" at about 20%, that gives you a subtle slapback echo to simulate the sound of a real room. If you've got a stereo delay you can set one side to 80 ms and the other to 90 ms for even a bit more room ambiance. I might try that with my inline delay on my pedal board, I haven't nailed a nice reverb effect yet. |
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Post by joachim on Mar 9, 2015 2:49:13 GMT -6
Phil, good job on that one! I keep repeating myself, but I am amazed at your progress recently - keep it up! Looks we can have a joint graduation party...  |
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Post by Phil on Mar 9, 2015 6:40:40 GMT -6
Phil, good job on that one! I keep repeating myself, but I am amazed at your progress recently - keep it up! Looks we can have a joint graduation party... I think you meant Rich, not Phil. I'm old and these kind of things confuse me. I spent 10 minutes looking for an upload that I never submitted. |
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Post by joachim on Mar 9, 2015 7:32:54 GMT -6
Phil, good job on that one! I keep repeating myself, but I am amazed at your progress recently - keep it up! Looks we can have a joint graduation party... I think you meant Rich, not Phil. I'm old and these kind of things confuse me. I spent 10 minutes looking for an upload that I never submitted. sorry for the confusion - I did mean "Rich" Maybe it was a subconsious mistake caused by Rich's recent gigantic leaps forward... |
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Post by cunningr on Mar 9, 2015 12:15:15 GMT -6
Thanks Joachim, still not quite hanging in their with your progress yet but glad it's noticable.
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which drastically helps timing.
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