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Post by cunningr on Mar 1, 2015 4:56:56 GMT -6
Well here is what I think is a more polished version of Slow Hard Edge Blues, not perfect but I need a time check because I not really feeling it. I think I am pretty close but maybe saying a little in different sections. Getting tired of this one and want to try to start speeding it up. Hope you enjoy. Gibson ES335, Garageband, Amplitude Fender Dual Reverb emulator. soundcloud.com/alabama-blues/hard-edge-blues-slow-v2Rich
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Post by Phil on Mar 1, 2015 6:18:46 GMT -6
Well here is what I think is a more polished version of Slow Hard Edge Blues, not perfect but I need a time check because I not really feeling it. I think I am pretty close but maybe saying a little in different sections. Getting tired of this one and want to try to start speeding it up. Hope you enjoy. Gibson ES335, Garageband, Amplitude Fender Dual Reverb emulator. soundcloud.com/alabama-blues/hard-edge-blues-slow-v2Rich No matter how much you want to speed it up don't do it yet. I know you want to play it up to speed, but if your timing if off at this speed it won't get any better faster. In fact it'll will probably get worse. Like you said, you are right on in spots and off in others. I don't want to go through the whole thing bar by bar, so let's just look at the beginning. I'm not sure where you are starting because I can't tell if you recorded the 1st click, but the 1st 3 notes are an 8th note triplet and you are playing straight 8th notes. All 3 notes have to fall within beat 4 of the pick up bar. You are spending too much time on the 1st note of the triplet. That bend on 3rd string 10th fret is fast - it should be (10)trip-(8)a-(8)let. And then the 5th string 11th fret bend should fall right smack on beat 1 of the 1st bar and held for 2 whole beats. Then the 6 16th notes are all played on beat 3 and the final note falls on beat for. It sounds like you got the 3 and 4th beats correct, so the problem is with the very beginning - the pick up bar and bar 1. Anyway, I think if you get the beginning down you won't have a problem with the rest. Bar 7 is exactly the same as bar 1 and you do the same thing - not holding the 1st note for 2 whole beats. You always manage to somehow get back on track with the proper timing again, so I think it's just a matter of focusing on those few measures that are giving you trouble. BTW, I do like your tone and I think you can get this one fixed easily because you are practically there.
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Post by cunningr on Mar 1, 2015 6:43:54 GMT -6
Thanks yeh I think I started this one a little soon, then tried to compensate. I am counting 2 beats before I start the run, maybe I need to slow my count a little. A least it's coming around, I'll give it another week and see where I am at.
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Post by Phil on Mar 1, 2015 7:06:24 GMT -6
Thanks yeh I think I started this one a little soon, then tried to compensate. I am counting 2 beats before I start the run, maybe I need to slow my count a little. A least it's coming around, I'll give it another week and see where I am at. Yeah, like I said, you're only off in a few places, but always manage to catch up and get back on track. I think you'll have this one down soon.
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Post by jack1982 on Mar 1, 2015 7:08:22 GMT -6
Yeah I think Phil summed it up - the lead-in at the beginning of the song starts too early, then you don't hold that 11th fret B string bend long enough so the lick in bar 1 starts too early. And the same in bar 7. I think you play the lick in the second half of bar 6 too early the first time through, but get it right the second time. There's some other minor stuff but I think that's just a matter of polishing it up. I just tried playing that at slow tempo - man that is hard
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Post by cunningr on Mar 1, 2015 7:27:30 GMT -6
Thanks jack and Phil, I will focus on those spots first. Seems like I keep better time after the turn around for the most part, I am having trouble hearing it in the backing track.
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Post by cunningr on Mar 1, 2015 8:27:03 GMT -6
Yeh getting bored a little. And honestly I normaly never use the slow version because it seems harder for me to keep time, this one I really tried using the slow BT.
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Post by bluesbruce on Mar 1, 2015 9:42:56 GMT -6
Rich,
I always thought those slow back tracks (which I think are at 50% the speed of the "regular" one) were too slow. I used "Amazing Slow Downer" software, which would allow me to alter the speed without changing the pitch. I found that 70-75% speed was typically a better "slow" speed for me, then could go up in increments as I got more comfortable with a study (for example, 85% speed, 90% speed, then 95% speed, and finally 100% speed). I've also read on other forums where some people suggest playing at 105% speed to really get a song down. I tried this, and didn't really find it to be useful myself, but as always YMMV.
The good news is that nowadays, most DAW software will allow this kind of tempo alteration without changing pitch, so you don't really need special software for the purpose. I know I can do this with Logic. It's worth checking out whether your DAW software can do this as well. It seems that most DAW softwares set the default tempo to 120, but if you set the tempo to 100 before importing your backing track, then when you change the tempo, it'll be equivalent to a percentage. Of course, you could set it at the proper tempo for the piece, but a lot of times you may not know that (also you'll find that a lot of recordings the tempo may vary some).
Bruce
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Post by cunningr on Mar 1, 2015 13:52:10 GMT -6
Bruce I can do that in GB also, little complicated the thing is in garageband you need to import it with three original bpm to be able to get a better adjustment.
Anyway I figured out what was going on and feel like an idiote. I was starting the entry lick in measure one when the band started playing throws everything off, and then as I play through the tune I compensate, that's why it always had better time after the turn around.
The count in is 1 2 3 4 I was starting on the fifth count with the band and should start on the fourth click. Will work on it some more this week.
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Post by Phil on Mar 1, 2015 14:17:24 GMT -6
Bruce I can do that in GB also, little complicated the thing is in garageband you need to import it with three original bpm to be able to get a better adjustment. Anyway I figured out what was going on and feel like an idiote. I was starting the entry lick in measure one when the band started playing throws everything off, and then as I play through the tune I compensate, that's why it always had better time after the turn around. The count in is 1 2 3 4 I was starting on the fifth count with the band and should start on the fourth click. Will work on it some more this week. Man, Rich, you shouldn't piss-off the band like that. Glad you discovered the problem. Your timing has gotten so good lately that it kind of surprised me when I listened to "Hard Edge."
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Post by cunningr on Mar 1, 2015 14:47:42 GMT -6
Well the way infigured it out was when I put the full speed practice track I noticed the guitar started before the band.
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