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Post by Phil on May 18, 2019 10:43:29 GMT -6
The is one of the better discussions of this topic that I've heard. Well worth watching.
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Post by grampalerxst on May 19, 2019 6:09:09 GMT -6
I tend to believe the "10,000 hours" is necessary but not sufficient angle. And I tend to think for a musical instrument there more in the neurology than the physiology. I've seen too much w/my own eyes to dismiss the existence of talent and its effect. But I agree with the guy that for an individual with talent level X, having the right mindset will support increasing competence when paired with a willingness to do the work.
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Post by bluesbruce on May 19, 2019 7:08:49 GMT -6
Interesting stuff, Phil. I think the bottom line is that no matter where you are musically, if you put in the work and time, you will get better!
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Post by Phil on May 19, 2019 7:54:09 GMT -6
Interesting stuff, Phil. I think the bottom line is that no matter where you are musically, if you put in the work and time, you will get better! I agree. I also think it's important to compare your present self with yourself as you were a couple of months ago and not with top level pros. As long as you're making progress you're on the right track. |
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Post by Phil on May 19, 2019 8:06:56 GMT -6
I tend to believe the "10,000 hours" is necessary but not sufficient angle. And I tend to think for a musical instrument there more in the neurology than the physiology. I've seen too much w/my own eyes to dismiss the existence of talent and its effect. But I agree with the guy that for an individual with talent level X, having the right mindset will support increasing competence when paired with a willingness to do the work. Yeah, and those 10,000 hours have to be spent practicing the "right" things. I like how he pointed out that the whole 10,000 hour thing came from a study comparing high level players who were already accepted into a music program at a conservatory. They were all musically talented people, but the best players practiced more.
I think it was basketball player, Larry Byrd, who said, "The more I practice the more talented I get."
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Post by jack1982 on May 19, 2019 8:37:46 GMT -6
Agree about practicing the "right" things. As a total beginner I wasted countless hours - years literally - doing the dumbest stuff. If I'd had a teacher to guide me I would have probably progressed at a tremendously faster rate, but of course I was too smart for that  I've seen people trying to play an Yngwie Malmsteen solo using all down-picking (they apparently didn't know alternate picking existed); I've seen people trying to fingerpick stuff that was virtually impossible to play without a pick; and seen plenty of people who have no concept of there being (usually) 4 beats in a bar and notes/chords are going to land on those beats (or intentionally avoid them) and everything else will fall into place in between. And you could spend all day listing more examples. And all those folks put in the work I'll tell ya - that girl playing Yngwie with all downstrokes damned near had it up to full speed lol. I think self-analysis and a willingness/eagerness to learn play a huge part. I didn't want to "learn", I just wanted to be cool and play Eddie Van Halen solos at full tempo. The mindset you approach it with can have such a dramatic effect on how fast you progress - I think that may explain "talent" vs. ordinary. I doubt too many people get compliments on how talented they are if they didn't put in the hours of practice though (compliments from parents don't count  ). |
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I've seen people trying to play an Yngwie Malmsteen solo using all down-picking (they apparently didn't know alternate picking existed); I've seen people trying to fingerpick stuff that was virtually impossible to play without a pick; and seen plenty of people who have no concept of there being (usually) 4 beats in a bar and notes/chords are going to land on those beats (or intentionally avoid them) and everything else will fall into place in between. And you could spend all day listing more examples. And all those folks put in the work I'll tell ya - that girl playing Yngwie with all downstrokes damned near had it up to full speed lol.
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