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Post by TommyD on Jun 14, 2014 14:57:35 GMT -6
This is not some of my best work, but I thought it worth posting just to show how valuable it is to record yourself playing. I thought I was performing this tune fairly well, but when I heard the recording I realized how punctuated the notes were. While practicing I thought I was much smoother, it wasn't until I listened to the recording that I really heard myself. I will do a better recording later. Here it is, in all it's underwhelming glory! soundcloud.com/tomdorsey-1/hello-mr-christian-take-200 |
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Post by TommyD on Jun 15, 2014 6:31:35 GMT -6
Thank you, tbone. I appreciate your thoughts on it. I'll try to listen to it more objectively, but I was startled when I heard how different it was in the recording compared to what I thought I was playing.
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Post by bluesbruce on Jun 15, 2014 9:11:32 GMT -6
Tommy,
I love the tone you get on your lead guitar on this one. Is that recorded with you Behringer unit? then are you using amp modeling in Garageband?
I probably wouldn't have thought much about your "punctuated" notes if you hadn't said anything about it, but I can sort of see what you mean. That's a good example of learning from recording your own playing. Glad to hear you recording some of these Jazzin' studies.
Bruce
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Post by TommyD on Jun 15, 2014 9:32:59 GMT -6
Hi Bruce. The Behringer unit and GarageBand was used for the recording. Thank you for the comment on the tone. In GarageBand "Cool Jazz Combo" was selected, and I added a touch of reverb and tremolo. I played a Fender Jazzmaster strung with flat wound 11s. I'm also doing something a little different with the pick. I hold it so the side is used to strike the string, not the pointed end. Also, I don't hold the pick parallel with the string. I hold it at a bit of an angle to the string so it kind of slides across the string. I think it produces a mellower sound. Though there is the chance I could just be nuts.
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Post by jack1982 on Jun 15, 2014 11:15:59 GMT -6
Very nice playing Tommy! Smooth and melodic. Rhythm part is sweet as well. I guess it is a bit short and punctuated but that just sounded like a stylistic choice and not "bad". I know what you mean about it sounding different when you listen back to it than you thought it sounded when you were playing it. I think it's a case of "can't see the woods for the trees" type thing with me - I get so into the individual notes and the licks that I lose sight of what the overall piece sounds like. Sometimes when you practice it to the point where your fingers can play it automatically, you can kind of quit thinking about what you're playing and just sit back and listen to how it sounds. My only constructive criticism would be to get rid of the tremolo  With the notes being short you don't hear it until you sustain a note, and then it's gone again and leaves the listener wondering "Did I just hear that? Or am I imagining things?" When they should be enjoying the music. |
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Post by blackcountrymick on Jun 15, 2014 13:08:05 GMT -6
Just listened to this a few times back to back with the CD, I must say that I am very impressed with your demo of this lesson. The lead guitar has a little more "attack" or treble maybe than the original recording, if you want it to sound similar try dialling back the tone a little. Great work!!
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Post by TommyD on Jun 15, 2014 14:03:59 GMT -6
Jack and Mick, thank you! I'll dial back the treble and the tremolo and sometime down the road do another recording of it. Honestly, I'm really enjoying this lesson book, and all the great bits of feedback from the forum members. Thanks again to everyone.
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Post by bluesbruce on Jun 15, 2014 17:55:33 GMT -6
Tommy,
Did I miss the boat here, or isn't this your lead recorded over the rhythm track on the CD? or did you actually record a rhythm part? I can probably e-mail you an mp3 of my Band In A Box drum and bass backing tracks (that I used in my videos) if you're interested and want to take a crack at recording the rhythm parts, too. PM me if interested (or anyone else on the forum that would like them, for that matter).
Bruce
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Post by jack1982 on Jun 15, 2014 19:06:12 GMT -6
Oh if you were just playing along with the backing track then I guess I'll congratulate Mr. Ganapes on his sweet rhythm playing Bruce I'd take you up on your offer about the rhythm tracks but I think it's a good exercise for me to listen to the drums on the CD and then find something suitable on my drum machine. It makes me figure out if it's 4/4 vs. triplet feel and swing vs. straight etc. |
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Post by TommyD on Jun 15, 2014 20:27:08 GMT -6
I was just playing the lead portion. I'm working up to someday recording the rhythm portion as well. But for now it's just the lead. So yes, Mr. Ganapes gets all the credit for the great rhythm work.
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Post by Phil on Jun 16, 2014 17:10:49 GMT -6
Tommy,
I thought that sounded very good - very smooth. Since I don't have "Jazzin" yet I don't know what this tune is supposed to sound like, but I like what I heard. The important thing is that your timing seems to be right on and you put some feeling into it.
Regarding your tone: I see there's a difference of opinion on whether or not you should cut back the highs a little more. Personally I kinda like that slight bell-like tone. It still definitely sounds jazzy.
Keep 'em coming. This forum is starting to come to life.
Phil
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Post by TommyD on Jun 16, 2014 17:16:07 GMT -6
Thank you, Phil. I really like the lessons from the Jazzin' the Blues book. It's also fun to tinker with the amp controls in GarageBand to search for that illusive tone we're all searching for. I love my tube amp, but it's fun to use the modeling in GargaeBand test drive other amps.
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Post by bluesbruce on Jun 16, 2014 17:37:34 GMT -6
Thank you, Phil. I really like the lessons from the Jazzin' the Blues book. It's also fun to tinker with the amp controls in GarageBand to search for that illusive tone we're all searching for. I love my tube amp, but it's fun to use the modeling in GargaeBand test drive other amps. That's funny, Tommy. If I knew someone starting out on electric guitar and they had a Mac with Garageband, I'd tell them don't even bother to buy an amp to start out - just play around with all this virtual equipment. I've never tried it, but they say you can just plug straight into the headphone jack with an adapter, and you don't even need an interface! Maybe I'll try that on one of my videos, though this may all be obsolete in the year 2525... Bruce  |
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Post by TommyD on Jun 16, 2014 19:39:39 GMT -6
Bruce, the Behringer unit that I have has a 1/4 inch input jack for the guitar, and beside it a 1/4 jack for headphones. It sounds good using headphones. I have small desk top speakers that I can plug into the small headphone jack on the Mac, and that sounds okay. Not sure if you could run that to larger speakers. That could be interesting.
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Post by Phil on Jun 17, 2014 15:20:31 GMT -6
Tommy, It looks like you and I are the only ones using a Behringer Guitar Link, although I'm still using an old PC running XP. I haven't graduated to a Mac yet.  Cunningr (aka Rich) just got his Apogee today. I'm sure he'll give us a report soon on how well it functions. (He's probably experimenting as we speak). It appears to be a similar concept to the Guitar Link, but without a headphone output and it's specifically for a Mac. I have to say that I am very impressed with the technology that exists today. It's mind boggling. I downloaded some free modeling software from Lepou. It appears to be quite complicated (at least for me). I'll post some screen shots and info this weekend and some questions for you tech-savvy guys. I'm slowly re-building my callouses after a 7 week lay-off so I've got time to fool around with other stuff while my fingers heal.  Phil |
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With the notes being short you don't hear it until you sustain a note, and then it's gone again and leaves the listener wondering "Did I just hear that? Or am I imagining things?" When they should be enjoying the music.
Cunningr (aka Rich) just got his Apogee today. I'm sure he'll give us a report soon on how well it functions. (He's probably experimenting as we speak). It appears to be a similar concept to the Guitar Link, but without a headphone output and it's specifically for a Mac. 