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Post by grampalerxst on Jul 5, 2020 15:03:59 GMT -6
Much of the week was dedicated to the usual--BLYCU challenge and Electric Gypsy intro.
Also spent some time on the background project I have going with my son-in-law. I re-tracked a couple of guitar parts that had small errors that were bugging me. Even though I hadn't done much with this one for a while I got everything I tried on the first take. That felt weird, but good. He' going to record the real drums next, but I have to clean up the DAW file first. I have the bass and guitars all recorded direct and reamped via plugin, and since he doesn't have the same plugins I need to print them to audio data. Problem is it's been amateur hour at my "studio" and I put all the plugins in buses instead of tracks, so I need to move all the plugins around and recreate the settings, etc. Big PITA.
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Post by bluesbruce on Jul 5, 2020 15:38:49 GMT -6
Had to work the long weekend, so between that and some family in from out of town, last few days have been kind of bust guitar-wise. I just got home, so probably won't post the BLYCU Lick 7 challenge until later tonight or tomorrow. I really enjoyed the Lick 6 one, where we've moved beyond the first four bars of the 12 bar progression.
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Post by blackcountrymick on Jul 5, 2020 16:03:12 GMT -6
Still working on a JTC blues study "Creeping Blues". Not quite got it fluid enough yet, but getting there I think. Thing is, if I wasn't recording my progress I would have "signed" this one off a couple of weeks ago. Recording yourself playing is a very honest appraisal tool, especially when listened to the following day. I have a graduated scale of "cringeworthyness" I use . I've picked out my next lesson to work on, its another lick based thing similar to BLYCU. 10 licks to learn and arrange over a backing track. I feel I have found a bit more motivation to practice lately, largely due I thing to Bruce's challenge. Cheers Bruce!!!
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Post by jack1982 on Jul 5, 2020 17:54:19 GMT -6
Lousy week for me, my back was stiff as a board all week. It was getting better but being an idiot, I decided to mow the lawn yesterday so now it's worse than ever. Hardly any practice time, the July challenge at that other site is to come up with your own arrangement of "In The Sweet By And By". I actually bought a lesson on it from a site called Banjo Ben Clark, which is really beautiful, but that's um...kind-of-sort-of not really my own arrangement lol. I found a YouTube video of a simple piano version, with the basic melody in the right hand and the basic chords in the left, so I suppose I can try building on that. Trouble is that even though it's a hymn, if you want to do anything the least bit fancy with it, it goes straight into country. I'm not a real country guy. Ah well, I've got until the end of the month so maybe something will come to me. Yeah, that's a good plan I was working on licks 5 & 6, even had a few ideas for how to fill up the rest of the chorus, but like everything else I'm afraid that will have to wait a while. In other news, baby bunnies were getting into my garden, right under my fence I put up to keep the adult bunnies out. So I fixed the fence - no way they can get past that any more! Little did I realize one of them was hiding in the garden the whole time I was doing that Lucky they're so cute, that's all I've got to say lol.
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Post by bluesbruce on Jul 5, 2020 18:14:44 GMT -6
Mick, what you say about recording your playing is SO TRUE. It's an absolute necessity if you want to get any better! Glad the BLYCU challenge has given you some motivation. It's definitely helped get me back on track, too.
Jack, you don't have a pet bunny to go with your kitty now do you? Sorry to hear about your back - I can say from personal experience that that really sucks. I always though gospel and country sounded pretty much the same, too.
Just put up the next challenge - Lick 7!
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Post by grampalerxst on Jul 6, 2020 5:28:49 GMT -6
Recording has been on the front burner for me, mostly because of Bruce's efforts to keep the Challenge going. Much appreciated.
This morning I listened to all 6 of my challenge entries in reverswe chronological order. There's some indication of improvement over the 12 weeks (3 months, time flies!) but not tons of it. The most interesting aspect was reminiscing how physically hard some of those bits were to perform at the time, especially the bending. Too much time away from "Bending the Blues" I suppose. My overall impression is that I still struggle with finding the pocket at times. Mentally I feel like I've made some progress in that regard during the Challenge, but I'm not sure I'm hearing it on the tape.
I mentioned I've been listening to Tom Bukovac's little webcasts. Whenever he plays anything it's apparent from his body language he's completely absorbed. A viewer asked him about it and he said that's one of the things a session guy has to be good at. Whatever's going on, when the count-in starts you've got to be 100% "there". What he said was more-or-less, "When the count starts I jump right in and swim as deep as I can possibly go." So of course I've spent the last week prefacing anything I do with a guitar with that image. Can't say it helps, but a little ritual never hurt anyone.
So my SiL suggested ditching my virtual instrument bass track in the prog wallow in favor of a "real" bass track. I told him I liked the idea but I'd misplaced Geddy's number and I didn't have a bass. He said he had one and his dad had a few at the studio, and that he could learn what I'd written and track it in a couple days.
My instinct was to go into Cartman mode ("I'm Geddy Lee and I'll play whatever bass line I want"). SiL's not a bass player but is so freaking efficient at DAW jockeying he can play just a handful of notes at a time and string it all together in what to me seems like impossibly short times. In comparison if I had a bass it might take me a year to learn to play the part. To do the note-at-a-time approach would likely take me several weeks. The smart thing to do is have him track the bass but I'm struggling with giving up control. My inner toddler is obviously alive and doing well, haha. But since I've sunk a lot of time into the project, I should probably do whatever will give the best musical result. The only action I can think to take is put buying a bass on my list of things for the little micro studio I want to put together once I retire and get settled.
Interesting side note is while I was putting down the guitar bed tracks there were a few sticky spots that took a while to nail. SiL suggested I come over and do the note at a time approach. I thought he was joking and said I'd feel like a fraud if I "recorded" something that I couldn't play at all. He said "you'd be surprised" how much of his time with clients is dedicated to note-by-note recording (and how often he waits until they leave then just does it himself). Rick Beato has alluded to similar things. One of the things the DAW revolution has caused is a very piecemeal way of recording music I guess, and an expectation of perfection. I'm a dinosaur in that the rhythm tracks I've put down were end-to-end live takes (not the whole 4+ minutes, I made each major section a chunk that was recorded in one go). It will be interesting to see if he tries any trickery to make them closer to perfect.
Anyway, I'm getting far afield. But I'm doing a lot of recording these days so getting a lot of self feedback listening with fresh ears. I'm always pleasantly surprised that along with all the clams that start to be a spike driven a bit further into your ear with each listen, there are some good things too. I think it's just as important to learn how to listen for what's working, as listening for what's not.
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Post by cunningr on Jul 6, 2020 5:35:20 GMT -6
How is everyone, been mia been playing but went out of town and caught up with several other issues. Learning another peter green song and converting some licks from A to Db for this weeks class. I did work on challenge a bit But not to where I can record.
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Post by joachim on Jul 6, 2020 6:04:53 GMT -6
I've been working on the CAGED system lately, and using it for playing off the chords. It made me dust off Rhythm & Blues You Can Use again - I always loved the songs in that book. I played through the first 3 studies, and I really enjoy the ideas presented in the book so far; having a better understanding of chords and scales makes this second time much more rewarding.
I did a recording of the first study - I plan to go through all of them.
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Post by bluesbruce on Jul 6, 2020 6:20:21 GMT -6
Recording has been on the front burner for me, mostly because of Bruce's efforts to keep the Challenge going. Much appreciated. This morning I listened to all 6 of my challenge entries in reverswe chronological order. There's some indication of improvement over the 12 weeks (3 months, time flies!) but not tons of it. The most interesting aspect was reminiscing how physically hard some of those bits were to perform at the time, especially the bending. Too much time away from "Bending the Blues" I suppose. My overall impression is that I still struggle with finding the pocket at times. Mentally I feel like I've made some progress in that regard during the Challenge, but I'm not sure I'm hearing it on the tape. I mentioned I've been listening to Tom Bukovac's little webcasts. Whenever he plays anything it's apparent from his body language he's completely absorbed. A viewer asked him about it and he said that's one of the things a session guy has to be good at. Whatever's going on, when the count-in starts you've got to be 100% "there". What he said was more-or-less, "When the count starts I jump right in and swim as deep as I can possibly go." So of course I've spent the last week prefacing anything I do with a guitar with that image. Can't say it helps, but a little ritual never hurt anyone. So my SiL suggested ditching my virtual instrument bass track in the prog wallow in favor of a "real" bass track. I told him I liked the idea but I'd misplaced Geddy's number and I didn't have a bass. He said he had one and his dad had a few at the studio, and that he could learn what I'd written and track it in a couple days. My instinct was to go into Cartman mode ("I'm Geddy Lee and I'll play whatever bass line I want"). SiL's not a bass player but is so freaking efficient at DAW jockeying he can play just a handful of notes at a time and string it all together in what to me seems like impossibly short times. In comparison if I had a bass it might take me a year to learn to play the part. To do the note-at-a-time approach would likely take me several weeks. The smart thing to do is have him track the bass but I'm struggling with giving up control. My inner toddler is obviously alive and doing well, haha. But since I've sunk a lot of time into the project, I should probably do whatever will give the best musical result. The only action I can think to take is put buying a bass on my list of things for the little micro studio I want to put together once I retire and get settled. Interesting side note is while I was putting down the guitar bed tracks there were a few sticky spots that took a while to nail. SiL suggested I come over and do the note at a time approach. I thought he was joking and said I'd feel like a fraud if I "recorded" something that I couldn't play at all. He said "you'd be surprised" how much of his time with clients is dedicated to note-by-note recording (and how often he waits until they leave then just does it himself). Rick Beato has alluded to similar things. One of the things the DAW revolution has caused is a very piecemeal way of recording music I guess, and an expectation of perfection. I'm a dinosaur in that the rhythm tracks I've put down were end-to-end live takes (not the whole 4+ minutes, I made each major section a chunk that was recorded in one go). It will be interesting to see if he tries any trickery to make them closer to perfect. Anyway, I'm getting far afield. But I'm doing a lot of recording these days so getting a lot of self feedback listening with fresh ears. I'm always pleasantly surprised that along with all the clams that start to be a spike driven a bit further into your ear with each listen, there are some good things too. I think it's just as important to learn how to listen for what's working, as listening for what's not. Grampa, several thoughts come to my mind with your post, probably because a lot of it hits close to home with me. I think a lot of it comes down to what your musical goal is. I think modern music production and the ability to play a musical instrument are two separate and distinct things (though not entirely mutually exclusive things). Modern music production DOES NOT require the actual playing of any musical instruments. It will probably require some singing, though that can be "fixed" in the DAW so that the original performance is unrecognizable. There are people working on computer vocal synthesis, and it is probably only a matter of time before actual singing will not be required, either. I am not saying there is no skill or talent involved in this endeavor - it does take time and practice to learn to use a DAW to this degree and to produce something people find vocally pleasing. Playing a musical instrument is an entirely different set of skills. This is, somewhat unfortunately, in my opinion, becoming the "dinosaur" method of producing music. If I go out to hear music (you remember, like in the pre-Covid days?), I personally want to hear actual human beings perform on actual musical instruments... Now as to the first part of your post, and the barely perceptible progress over three months time... well, this falls squarely in the playing a musical instrument category, and this is a skill that requires time and effort (and LOTS of both) to master. So, if your goal is to learn to actually play a musical instrument, you've got to dig in and face this mountain of time and effort, and chip away at it day after day after day, for year after year after year. Ironically, this is the antithesis of all the Youtube videos offering immediate guitar mastery if you just learn these five essential things...
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Post by bluesbruce on Jul 6, 2020 6:27:16 GMT -6
Joachim, very nicely done! I absolutely love your two clean guitars-only recording of "Easy Rhythm"! You got really beautiful tones for both guitars. I loved the tunes in that book, too.
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Post by Phil on Jul 6, 2020 9:08:03 GMT -6
Not a good week for me. Lots of family "issues". However, I did get in some playing time most days. Watched more YT videos by Whit Smith. Whit is a Western Swing guitarist with a trio called "The Hot Club of Cowtown". A play on Django Reinhardt's "Hot Club of France". Western Swing is an amalgamation of Jazz, Blues, Swing, Country, and traditional old-time American music. The fascinating thing for me is the way the rhythm guitarists move around the fretboard using various inversions and passing chords with incredible speed. Interesting stuff if you find this interesting. I believe this music comes from Bruce's neck of the woods. I probably said all this before, but us old guys tend to repeat ourselves. I've really been impressed by the quality of the uploads on the Blues Licks challenge. If I didn't have this bone-headed idea to go off in another direction, "I coulda been a contender!" I gotta get busy on a little project before Jack cuts off all future communications with me.
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Post by grampalerxst on Jul 6, 2020 11:06:35 GMT -6
Grampa, several thoughts come to my mind with your post, probably because a lot of it hits close to home with me. I think a lot of it comes down to what your musical goal is. I think modern music production and the ability to play a musical instrument are two separate and distinct things (though not entirely mutually exclusive things). Modern music production DOES NOT require the actual playing of any musical instruments. It will probably require some singing, though that can be "fixed" in the DAW so that the original performance is unrecognizable. There are people working on computer vocal synthesis, and it is probably only a matter of time before actual singing will not be required, either. I am not saying there is no skill or talent involved in this endeavor - it does take time and practice to learn to use a DAW to this degree and to produce something people find vocally pleasing. Playing a musical instrument is an entirely different set of skills. This is, somewhat unfortunately, in my opinion, becoming the "dinosaur" method of producing music. If I go out to hear music (you remember, like in the pre-Covid days?), I personally want to hear actual human beings perform on actual musical instruments... Now as to the first part of your post, and the barely perceptible progress over three months time... well, this falls squarely in the playing a musical instrument category, and this is a skill that requires time and effort (and LOTS of both) to master. So, if your goal is to learn to actually play a musical instrument, you've got to dig in and face this mountain of time and effort, and chip away at it day after day after day, for year after year after year. Ironically, this is the antithesis of all the Youtube videos offering immediate guitar mastery if you just learn these five essential things... Bruce, yeah, one thing I remember Bukovac talking about is that old school studios and the tradition of name performers bringing a crew of studio guns to cut a record together is nearly gone. Still a few places in Nashville and LA that operate with that template but more and more that's fading away. Sadly guitar as a mainstay for pop music is fading with it. That's something else you hear from Beato and other guys close to the recording business in days of yore. My interest is a little bifurcated out of necessity. I have a desire to create original music but completely lack what it takes as an instrumentalist to transcribe what floats around in my head using one. Where guitar comes in, for example, it's usually the last thing to get worked out. So to that end "by any means necessary" is about my only choice. For stuff I do here and any other stuff aimed at learning to wrangle a few extra notes out of a guitar I'm a bit more of a technophobe and keep things constrained to what I can actually play (assuming the charitable reader/listener counts my efforts as "playing"). I'd like for guitar playing and music creation to dovetail one day, but I'm not sure they will. Ultimately I'll probably go with a both/and hybrid approach with a little "real" guitar and maybe keyboard playing to go along a double handful of digital trickery. So you're correct it's a function of particular musical goals, and some of mine stretch a little beyond where a guitar will take me. I loaded up all the BLYCU demos on my little mp3 player and listened to them today. Some of them coming a little ways down the road sound downright intimidating. Luckily they'll take a year or two to get to, and maybe by that time we'll be ready for them.
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Post by cunningr on Jul 6, 2020 12:30:44 GMT -6
Grampa, several thoughts come to my mind with your post, probably because a lot of it hits close to home with me. I think a lot of it comes down to what your musical goal is. I think modern music production and the ability to play a musical instrument are two separate and distinct things (though not entirely mutually exclusive things). Modern music production DOES NOT require the actual playing of any musical instruments. It will probably require some singing, though that can be "fixed" in the DAW so that the original performance is unrecognizable. There are people working on computer vocal synthesis, and it is probably only a matter of time before actual singing will not be required, either. I am not saying there is no skill or talent involved in this endeavor - it does take time and practice to learn to use a DAW to this degree and to produce something people find vocally pleasing. Playing a musical instrument is an entirely different set of skills. This is, somewhat unfortunately, in my opinion, becoming the "dinosaur" method of producing music. If I go out to hear music (you remember, like in the pre-Covid days?), I personally want to hear actual human beings perform on actual musical instruments... Now as to the first part of your post, and the barely perceptible progress over three months time... well, this falls squarely in the playing a musical instrument category, and this is a skill that requires time and effort (and LOTS of both) to master. So, if your goal is to learn to actually play a musical instrument, you've got to dig in and face this mountain of time and effort, and chip away at it day after day after day, for year after year after year. Ironically, this is the antithesis of all the Youtube videos offering immediate guitar mastery if you just learn these five essential things... Bruce, yeah, one thing I remember Bukovac talking about is that old school studios and the tradition of name performers bringing a crew of studio guns to cut a record together is nearly gone. Still a few places in Nashville and LA that operate with that template but more and more that's fading away. Sadly guitar as a mainstay for pop music is fading with it. That's something else you hear from Beato and other guys close to the recording business in days of yore. My interest is a little bifurcated out of necessity. I have a desire to create original music but completely lack what it takes as an instrumentalist to transcribe what floats around in my head using one. Where guitar comes in, for example, it's usually the last thing to get worked out. So to that end "by any means necessary" is about my only choice. For stuff I do here and any other stuff aimed at learning to wrangle a few extra notes out of a guitar I'm a bit more of a technophobe and keep things constrained to what I can actually play (assuming the charitable reader/listener counts my efforts as "playing"). I'd like for guitar playing and music creation to dovetail one day, but I'm not sure they will. Ultimately I'll probably go with a both/and hybrid approach with a little "real" guitar and maybe keyboard playing to go along a double handful of digital trickery. So you're correct it's a function of particular musical goals, and some of mine stretch a little beyond where a guitar will take me. I loaded up all the BLYCU demos on my little mp3 player and listened to them today. Some of them coming a little ways down the road sound downright intimidating. Luckily they'll take a year or two to get to, and maybe by that time we'll be ready for them. The rate Bruce is posting the new challenges you will hit last lick in 2 months! Lol
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Post by grampalerxst on Jul 6, 2020 14:12:35 GMT -6
There are 75 licks altogether I think, which will take 150 weeks at 2 weeks each, or almost 3 years!
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Post by joachim on Jul 6, 2020 15:02:50 GMT -6
There are 75 licks altogether I think, which will take 150 weeks at 2 weeks each, or almost 3 years! I think Bruce made a wise decision that we only study one lick every other week, so that people don't feel overburdened and drop out. But I also think that now we've demonstrated some endurance and a willingness to stick with the program, we should consider doing two licks every other week, when we get to chapter 2.
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Post by jack1982 on Jul 7, 2020 6:01:54 GMT -6
I gotta get busy on a little project before Jack cuts off all future communications with me. LOL, don't worry about it a bit - I'm actually kind of happy to hear you're not making much progress because then I don't have to feel so bad about not making any progress either Hey we'll get it done, it wasn't like we were in a big hurry about it to start with.
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Post by jack1982 on Jul 7, 2020 6:31:02 GMT -6
Joachim, that's some lovely playing! Really nice job on that. I really liked the songs in that book also, definitely some of my favorites. Bruce and Grampa, I totally agree about music production. Watching YouTube videos by producers is really quite enlightening, virtually every note played is gone through individually and tweaked until the whole performance sounds like it was delivered by God himself lol. You can make money doing that stuff - I bought a pair of Seymour Duncan '59 pickups several years ago because the demo on YouTube had them sounding like the most spectacular thing I could possibly imagine. Then I got them and...they sounded like pretty ordinary pickups Actual instruments are kind of out of fashion these days, I remember fooling around with Ableton and when you opened a new project, it would automatically create 2 MIDI tracks to start you out. Meh, whatever. I pretty much stopped listening to new music back in the mid '90s and I don't think I missed a damned thing since. Just my opinion but we spent millions of years developing as a species to interact with our environment and the people in it - that's what it is to be human. Then you see all these kids today never looking away from their cell phone, oblivious to their environment and the people in it...their "music" is about as interesting as their Twitter feed.
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Post by grampalerxst on Jul 7, 2020 8:03:53 GMT -6
Sounds like you have already spent half the morning chasing kids off your lawn again Jack! I pretty much agree, though. People worry about changing climate and viruses and asteroids, but I think computers are what will ultimately do us in as a species. It will be interesting to see how my sil copes with my guitar tracks. For my ability level, they are pretty good, but as he listens to them as much as I have he'll start to hear the little bugaboos I hear. Part of me wants to hear what they would sound like with the "full treatment" he'd give a paying client. But part also wants to keep the grampa in Grampa's guitar tracks, if that makes sense. Luckily with digital it would take all of 10 seconds to restore the originals if it gets to sounding a bit too divine.
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Post by jack1982 on Jul 7, 2020 18:41:22 GMT -6
Sounds like you have already spent half the morning chasing kids off your lawn again Jack! There aren't too many good things about getting old, but getting to be a crabby old curmudgeon...it almost makes the whole thing worth it
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Post by Marc on Jul 8, 2020 1:07:17 GMT -6
Nice work everyone. Feeling a bit like a failure, I've been doing playing a lot this week but not much of it was 'work'. I'm doing some experimentation with improvisation, triads, chord tones and modes with the trio and looper.
jack1982 it's funny you mention Banjo Ben Clark. I got my banjo out this week and came across that site. I would love to hear what you think of his course when you get a little deeper into it.
I spent some time trying to make videos but nothing I was happy with. I revisited some BLYCU for that purpose. I got a new phone and was trying to use it as a webcam but it ended up being really laggy before it complete froze up. I think I'll try something else. Going back to the licks, I was working on one of the licks and was having trouble. My brain was telling my fingers "you're doing it wrong to it this way" and my fingers were saying "shut up brain I do what I want". I put the guitar down until the next day and had no trouble with the lick. It's weird how beneficial it is to not practice something sometimes.
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