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Post by jack1982 on Mar 1, 2020 8:16:24 GMT -6
I'm still doing my major/minor thing. Trying to get away from box 1 so I've been working a bit on the key of E - if I want to stay around the 5th - 7th fret, I have to learn new boxes. Also adding a bit of mixolydian and dorian mode stuff here and there. It's coming along pretty well overall, I'm discovering some interesting sounds. I signed up for a "challenge" at that other site, this one is learning Albert King licks and using them in a solo. I've been thinking for quite a while that I need to include some memorized licks in my playing, if for no other reason than to break up my typical sing-songy phrasing and add some different rhythm figures. So the main challenge will be working on the Albert King stuff while NOT neglecting my major/minor stuff. Wish me luck
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Post by bluesbruce on Mar 1, 2020 9:44:40 GMT -6
Good luck on Albert King licks AND keeping your major-minor pentatonic stuff alive, Jack. After back from vacation last week, didn't pick up the guitar all week (but did make it to the gym 4 out of 5 weekdays). Gotta work on that dichotomy!
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Post by joachim on Mar 1, 2020 10:15:53 GMT -6
Still working on the new improvisation class, which is starting to feel like a weekly beating; I was better at playing before I started, so maybe I should just quit while I am ahead...
Then I got back into online lessons with John, which will be less frequent and at a slower pace. We started with a simple song in "The Real Book", and then we will see where it goes.
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Post by Phil on Mar 1, 2020 10:42:04 GMT -6
I spent the last few days trying to create my own solo for the Jazz standard "All of Me". I also tabbed it out so I wouldn't forget it. I'm talking about a regular solo and not a solo guitar arrangement. I've put off soloing for a long time and now I feel ready for it. The first few bars were easy and then it got increasingly more difficult to come up with something somewhat interesting. My firm opinion is that if you can't sit down compose a solo you're relatively happy with then there is no way you'll be able to improvise a solo. It's been said that improvising is composing slowly and improvising is composing on the spot. Here are the steps I took: 1. Since Jazz soloing is all about playing the chord changes the 1st thing I did was to play the basic triads of each chord then the 4 note arpeggios of each chord with a backing track playing. I've stayed with this for about a week to really get familiar with the patterns. 2. Start approaching each chord tone from a fret below and noodling around with the order of the notes. 3. Now it's down to business. Worked on 2 measures at a time. (This song mostly has the same chord for 2 measures.) I used a combination of melodies floating around in my head, some licks I already knew, and anything I stumbled upon by noodling around in a particular pattern. The end result was a solo that I'm pretty happy with. Much better than anything I attempted in the past. I will definitely make a video of this once I can play it at my target tempo. Of course, after a few days pass and the novelty wears off, I might decide that it sounds like amateurish crap. Jack: I agree 100% that you need to include some memorized licks. I know exactly what you mean by "my typical sing-songy phrasing". One thing you could also try is to come up with a lick in your head and then try to find it on the finger board. This will most likely be something you've heard before and is already floating around in your head. It won't end up being anybody's exact lick. It'll be your lick, but it will still be a lick that you can use where you need it. One more thing: step 2 above can also be applied to the pentatonic boxes. Give it a try.
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Post by Phil on Mar 1, 2020 10:44:35 GMT -6
Still working on the new improvisation class, which is starting to feel like a weekly beating; I was better at playing before I started, so maybe I should just quit while I am ahead... Then I got back into online lessons with John, which will be less frequent and at a slower pace. We started with a simple song in "The Real Book", and then we will see where it goes.Which song?
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Post by joachim on Mar 1, 2020 12:35:12 GMT -6
Still working on the new improvisation class, which is starting to feel like a weekly beating; I was better at playing before I started, so maybe I should just quit while I am ahead... Then I got back into online lessons with John, which will be less frequent and at a slower pace. We started with a simple song in "The Real Book", and then we will see where it goes.Which song? "Tune Up".
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Post by Phil on Mar 1, 2020 14:39:41 GMT -6
Wow, you're jumping right into the deep end of the pool. Keep us posted on your progress.
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Post by grampalerxst on Mar 1, 2020 16:09:55 GMT -6
My guitar life is much less exciting than everyone else's. Picked up the tempo on Electric Gypsy intro this morning, and still chugging along on the project with my SIL. Added a couple technique exercises to the regimen. They're really supposed to be warmup drills, but for me they are hard enough to be technical exercises.
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Post by cunningr on Mar 1, 2020 16:53:07 GMT -6
Well still working on same stuff, but added in a Santana style lick lesson from another website, uses dorian mode. Class we started back on johnny b goode, and some improvisation a lick i learned to use to either transition into a phrase or signal the end I am practicing getting it on the chord changes.
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Post by jack1982 on Mar 1, 2020 17:44:42 GMT -6
Jack: I agree 100% that you need to include some memorized licks. I know exactly what you mean by "my typical sing-songy phrasing". One thing you could also try is to come up with a lick in your head and then try to find it on the finger board. This will most likely be something you've heard before and is already floating around in your head. It won't end up being anybody's exact lick. It'll be your lick, but it will still be a lick that you can use where you need it. One more thing: step 2 above can also be applied to the pentatonic boxes. Give it a try. It's just hard for me to wrap my mind around the concept of memorized licks. Since I first picked up a guitar I always assumed that guitar solos were made up on the spot - just like you create sentences on the fly when you speak, you create phrases on the fly when you play. It only took me a third of a century to realize that my idols were using quite a few stock phrases in their playing. How does a person fit those in? When I play I hear the chord tones and I hear my notes against them, it's like a wave rolls onto the shore (creating tension), then rolls back out (resolution). Memorized licks are like a damned metal box on the shore; it just doesn't fit It doesn't start where I was, it ends in completely the wrong place, it destroys my flow. I guess you have to do a bit of planning as far as "memorized lick coming up", and somehow alter the rhythm figure so it will fit in somehow, and then (perhaps though practice?) anticipate where it ends so you'll be prepared to continue on from there. A lot to ask from a lazy little worn out brain like mine
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Post by blackcountrymick on Mar 1, 2020 18:29:16 GMT -6
Hi Guys, Well I'm finally back practicing electric again, a full 8 hours this last week. I'm back working from the Troy Stetina books, see if I can make it a little further this time . I've started back at the beginning of the Rhythm, Lead and the Total Rock books so should give me something to get my teeth into. Previously I worked through Vol 1 Rhythm and started Vol 2, up to lesson 9 in the total rock book and only Chapter 1 in the Lead book. So this week I have reviewed Chapters 1 and 2 in the Rhythm book, the first 3 songs from the Total Rock book, Chapter 1 from the lead book and started work on Chapter 2. I still remember the sense of achievement I got from getting to the end of the BYCU and BRYCU books, something to aim for with this lot!! (still got MBYCU, Jazzin and R&B to finish as well yet). .......stay focused!!! I see there's lots of different projects going on with you guys, it all looks really interesting. Perhaps Bruce wants to join me with the Stetina stuff instead of muscle building
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Post by Phil on Mar 1, 2020 20:56:53 GMT -6
Jack: I agree 100% that you need to include some memorized licks. I know exactly what you mean by "my typical sing-songy phrasing". One thing you could also try is to come up with a lick in your head and then try to find it on the finger board. This will most likely be something you've heard before and is already floating around in your head. It won't end up being anybody's exact lick. It'll be your lick, but it will still be a lick that you can use where you need it. One more thing: step 2 above can also be applied to the pentatonic boxes. Give it a try. It's just hard for me to wrap my mind around the concept of memorized licks. Since I first picked up a guitar I always assumed that guitar solos were made up on the spot - just like you create sentences on the fly when you speak, you create phrases on the fly when you play. It only took me a third of a century to realize that my idols were using quite a few stock phrases in their playing. How does a person fit those in? When I play I hear the chord tones and I hear my notes against them, it's like a wave rolls onto the shore (creating tension), then rolls back out (resolution). Memorized licks are like a damned metal box on the shore; it just doesn't fit It doesn't start where I was, it ends in completely the wrong place, it destroys my flow. I guess you have to do a bit of planning as far as "memorized lick coming up", and somehow alter the rhythm figure so it will fit in somehow, and then (perhaps though practice?) anticipate where it ends so you'll be prepared to continue on from there. A lot to ask from a lazy little worn out brain like mine The "memorized lick" has to become part of your DNA so you can use it where and when you need it. Take 1 lick and only 1, and work on using it. Once it's memorized you'll be able to alter it as you see fit. You don't have to use licks, but they show you how notes can be put together to make interesting musical statements. Use the basic idea to create your own licks. I think it's a myth that improvising is always creating new stuff on the fly. The bulk of it is repackaging familiar phrases in different ways. I'll bet you are already doing this when you improvise and don't even realize it. You might be over-thinking this whole lick thing.
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Post by cunningr on Mar 1, 2020 23:45:33 GMT -6
It's just hard for me to wrap my mind around the concept of memorized licks. Since I first picked up a guitar I always assumed that guitar solos were made up on the spot - just like you create sentences on the fly when you speak, you create phrases on the fly when you play. It only took me a third of a century to realize that my idols were using quite a few stock phrases in their playing. How does a person fit those in? When I play I hear the chord tones and I hear my notes against them, it's like a wave rolls onto the shore (creating tension), then rolls back out (resolution). Memorized licks are like a damned metal box on the shore; it just doesn't fit It doesn't start where I was, it ends in completely the wrong place, it destroys my flow. I guess you have to do a bit of planning as far as "memorized lick coming up", and somehow alter the rhythm figure so it will fit in somehow, and then (perhaps though practice?) anticipate where it ends so you'll be prepared to continue on from there. A lot to ask from a lazy little worn out brain like mine The "memorized lick" has to become part of your DNA so you can use it where and when you need it. Take 1 lick and only 1, and work on using it. Once it's memorized you'll be able to alter it as you see fit. You don't have to use licks, but they show you how notes can be put together to make interesting musical statements. Use the basic idea to create your own licks. I think it's a myth that improvising is always creating new stuff on the fly. The bulk of it is repackaging familiar phrases in different ways. I'll bet you are already doing this when you improvise and don't even realize it. You might be over-thinking this whole lick thing. My instructor tells me the licks are like words that we turn into phrases. Once we build them up we have a language to mix and match to express ourselves. Improvisation is mixing these licks together into a cohesive sentence.
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Post by Phil on Mar 2, 2020 0:10:29 GMT -6
My instructor tells me the licks are like words that we turn into phrases. Once we build them up we have a language to mix and match to express ourselves. Improvisation is mixing these licks together into a cohesive sentence. That's a great way to put it.
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Post by Marc on Mar 2, 2020 16:51:17 GMT -6
I did not get a chance to put in time on the guitar like i would have liked too. It feet like 10 minutes here and there. I did have about 30 minutes yesterday and I decided to move on in BYCU to Lesson 10 yesterday.
I had a "holy cow batman" moment the other day when i was improvising and wondering and hit the right note with out thinking, almost out of instinct. It was pretty cool for me.
In other gear news, I got a foot switch for my amp, now it's time to tear up the pedlaboard!
I would love to hear more about some of those other challenges or sites y'all are participation in.
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Post by bluesbruce on Mar 3, 2020 8:29:12 GMT -6
Hi Guys, Well I'm finally back practicing electric again, a full 8 hours this last week. I'm back working from the Troy Stetina books, see if I can make it a little further this time . I've started back at the beginning of the Rhythm, Lead and the Total Rock books so should give me something to get my teeth into. Previously I worked through Vol 1 Rhythm and started Vol 2, up to lesson 9 in the total rock book and only Chapter 1 in the Lead book. So this week I have reviewed Chapters 1 and 2 in the Rhythm book, the first 3 songs from the Total Rock book, Chapter 1 from the lead book and started work on Chapter 2. I still remember the sense of achievement I got from getting to the end of the BYCU and BRYCU books, something to aim for with this lot!! (still got MBYCU, Jazzin and R&B to finish as well yet). .......stay focused!!! I see there's lots of different projects going on with you guys, it all looks really interesting. Perhaps Bruce wants to join me with the Stetina stuff instead of muscle building Mick, trying to get back to the Stetina books sounds like a really good idea. I've only got the Total Rock Guitar book, don't have his rhythm or lead books. I think I'd got as far as lesson 11 or 12 in Total Rock Guitar, but most of those I never could play well enough to record them. Are you going to post vids of recordings? Maybe if I hear some of the lead stuff, it'll make me have to buy yet another guitar book! I have been on a bit much of a muscle building kick (actually, more of a weight losing rather than weight lifting intent). I have succeeded in losing almost 10 pounds, and my blood pressure has come back down nicely. I'm trying to get motivated to get back to some guitar playing, as well.
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Post by kopite on Mar 5, 2020 22:31:56 GMT -6
Hi everyone,
I’m new to the forum and I’ve been reading through the threads. I’ve been playing for many years but never got too much into the theory. Mostly been playing my acoustic the last few years but recently picked up my Stratocaster for the first time in a very long time. I was going through my old guitar books and had a copy of BYCU with the CD. As with most of my other books I’d never really finished any of them but I’ve always loved the blues so decided to try some of the lessons in BYCU. I’ve learned more theory in the last few weeks than I had in the previous 50 years and I’m really enjoying playing through the book. Early lessons were easy enough but got to lesson 9 Getting Funky and found it to be quite difficult, especially the speed and phrasing. I’ve been on this lesson for a few days now and I’m finally starting to pick up the speed a bit better but still far from perfect.
I’ve been watching others play through some of the lessons on Youtube, which are quite helpful. I’ve been thinking of buying a digital copy of the 2nd edition of the book, which I can download for about $10 and play through the lessons on my iPad. I did read that there are also videos that John Ganapes made that can also be downloaded and I watched the one that he posted on his website which was very interesting. Has anyone downloaded the videos and are they worth me buying the digital copy of BYCU ?
Thanks for your help.
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Post by cunningr on Mar 5, 2020 23:43:44 GMT -6
Hi everyone, I’m new to the forum and I’ve been reading through the threads. I’ve been playing for many years but never got too much into the theory. Mostly been playing my acoustic the last few years but recently picked up my Stratocaster for the first time in a very long time. I was going through my old guitar books and had a copy of BYCU with the CD. As with most of my other books I’d never really finished any of them but I’ve always loved the blues so decided to try some of the lessons in BYCU. I’ve learned more theory in the last few weeks than I had in the previous 50 years and I’m really enjoying playing through the book. Early lessons were easy enough but got to lesson 9 Getting Funky and found it to be quite difficult, especially the speed and phrasing. I’ve been on this lesson for a few days now and I’m finally starting to pick up the speed a bit better but still far from perfect. I’ve been watching others play through some of the lessons on Youtube, which are quite helpful. I’ve been thinking of buying a digital copy of the 2nd edition of the book, which I can download for about $10 and play through the lessons on my iPad. I did read that there are also videos that John Ganapes made that can also be downloaded and I watched the one that he posted on his website which was very interesting. Has anyone downloaded the videos and are they worth me buying the digital copy of BYCU ? Thanks for your help. I cant help comment on the digital media, but wanted to welcome you to the site. You sound like you fit in with our crew. I have trouble with the funk lessons as well, as a matter of fact I just had lesson with my instructor covering funk. The problem with funk is timing isn't exact there is like a note that starts a little late but not a full half beat either.
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Post by Marc on Mar 8, 2020 9:29:11 GMT -6
Hi everyone, I’m new to the forum and I’ve been reading through the threads. I’ve been playing for many years but never got too much into the theory. Mostly been playing my acoustic the last few years but recently picked up my Stratocaster for the first time in a very long time. I was going through my old guitar books and had a copy of BYCU with the CD. As with most of my other books I’d never really finished any of them but I’ve always loved the blues so decided to try some of the lessons in BYCU. I’ve learned more theory in the last few weeks than I had in the previous 50 years and I’m really enjoying playing through the book. Early lessons were easy enough but got to lesson 9 Getting Funky and found it to be quite difficult, especially the speed and phrasing. I’ve been on this lesson for a few days now and I’m finally starting to pick up the speed a bit better but still far from perfect. I’ve been watching others play through some of the lessons on Youtube, which are quite helpful. I’ve been thinking of buying a digital copy of the 2nd edition of the book, which I can download for about $10 and play through the lessons on my iPad. I did read that there are also videos that John Ganapes made that can also be downloaded and I watched the one that he posted on his website which was very interesting. Has anyone downloaded the videos and are they worth me buying the digital copy of BYCU ? Thanks for your help. Welcome to the Forum. I forgot about the new edition of BYCU. I think the videos would be a great tool to go along with the book. I'm not sure if the videos are downloadable or if you need to stream it off a website. I've used a firefox plug in successfully in the past to download videos called Video Download Helper www.downloadhelper.net/
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