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Post by jack1982 on Jul 14, 2019 5:04:54 GMT -6
I was working on "Landslide" by Stevie Nicks / Fleetwood Mac (yeah I know I said I was gonna work on "Gold Dust Woman" lol...) It's a fingerpicked acoustic song, I think there are 2 guitars on the album of which at least one is a 12 string, so I've been working on both 6 and 12 sting. It's coming along, very sloppy currently I'm just working on the verse part which is easier than the chorus, still at around 80% tempo. There's a little guitar solo in there too which I hope to learn eventually. I've got a couple of backing tracks, one of which is a click track and the other is Stevie singing - of course her singing is what makes the entire song. So that will be my project this week as well. I'm supposed to get a new solid state drive for my computer today, so I'm sure that will waste a couple of days re-downloading everything and trying to figure out what the hell all the passwords and usernames are for every freakin' thing I use Oh well, it's an acoustic tune so I don't need all that rubbish lol.
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Post by cunningr on Jul 14, 2019 5:18:36 GMT -6
Well i got a good 4 hours of practice in cleaning up a chord progression my instructor gave me before vacation. Also cleaning up my stormy monday progression and a couple of licks.
Curious thing on the rythm progression. I think my instructor said its in E I think he meant in A but starts in A said it was in mi. but there are 2 parts part is A7 E A7 A6 ED6 B9 E
If i am remembering correctly with no guitar in hand. Part A is a basic shuffle. So this is in A correct?
Joachim i think i sent you a friend request in jamkazam too.
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Post by joachim on Jul 14, 2019 7:16:54 GMT -6
Rich, I will check the friends request on JamKazam on my laptop. I installed a new computer with Linux on it for my everyday needs, but unfortunately JamKazam only works on Mac and Windows.
I am working on Half Steppin' in MBYCU, which is pretty difficult for me, and on a Fleetwood Mac song from the Shrine '69 album.
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Post by Phil on Jul 14, 2019 8:33:58 GMT -6
Still hanging in there and practicing regularly. I started on a new solo for a Jazz standard I've been working on, "All of Me." It's a nice combination of single notes and chords, so I'll be able to use it in a solo guitar arrangement. I'm really analyzing it and trying to learn something from it. I learned a lot about recording last week - recording level, EQ, compression, and final loudness. I've been doing everything wrong, especially recording level and loudness of the final product. I found a YouTube channel called "In the Mix." This guy really knows his stuff and how to explain things. The other channel on recording that I've been watching is "Reaper Mania." I like this one because it's all about Reaper and using the stock plugins. He also gives clear, understandable explanations. Jack, I know what you mean about passwords and usernames. I've been meaning to get one of those password managers for years now. I keep procrastinating - like I do with recording myself. Rich, I don't understand the progression as written. What bars are these? Whose version is it. (For me the definitive version is the Allman Bros. Live at Fillmore). Could you lay out the progression something like this: | A7 A7 A7 A7 | E7 E7 E7 E7 | B9 B9 E7 E7| - four beats to the bar starting with bar 1. If it's in A (La) then A is the I-chord, D is the IV-chord, and E is the V-chord and B is the II-chord. You'll benefit greatly if you learn to identify chords in a progression by their roman numeral function.
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Post by grampalerxst on Jul 14, 2019 8:50:30 GMT -6
Decent week for me when compared to last week.
So, I know we are generally coached not to push things up in tempo too aggressively, lest we commit our mistakes to muscle memory. But I've got some mileage out of being more aggressive in pushing the tempo. It all relates to relaxation and balancing relaxation between the hands. If I creep up too slowly in tempo I can get by with a little more tension (overexertion really--gripping notes too hard and picking too hard). Jumping up in tempo can be jarring enough to force me to relax where I wasn't before, and once I see that I can bring it (more relaxed/balanced approach) back down to working tempo.
Still working on the phrasing/articulation navel-gaze, although I'm behind on getting my next 2-bar phrase tuple learned by ear and into the regular rotation.
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Post by cunningr on Jul 14, 2019 9:05:57 GMT -6
Still hanging in there and practicing regularly. I started on a new solo for a Jazz standard I've been working on, "All of Me." It's a nice combination of single notes and chords, so I'll be able to use it in a solo guitar arrangement. I'm really analyzing it and trying to learn something from it. I learned a lot about recording last week - recording level, EQ, compression, and final loudness. I've been doing everything wrong, especially recording level and loudness of the final product. I found a YouTube channel called "In the Mix." This guy really knows his stuff and how to explain things. The other channel on recording that I've been watching is "Reaper Mania." I like this one because it's all about Reaper and using the stock plugins. He also gives clear, understandable explanations. Jack, I know what you mean about passwords and usernames. I've been meaning to get one of those password managers for years now. I keep procrastinating - like I do with recording myself. Rich, I don't understand the progression as written. What bars are these? Whose version is it. (For me the definitive version is the Allman Bros. Live at Fillmore). Could you lay out the progression something like this: | A7 A7 A7 A7 | E7 E7 E7 E7 | B9 B9 E7 E7| - four beats to the bar starting with bar 1. If it's in A (La) then A is the I-chord, D is the IV-chord, and E is the V-chord and B is the II-chord. You'll benefit greatly if you learn to identify chords in a progression by their roman numeral function. Yeah i can was doing showing chords each 4 beats. I understand the roman numbering as well but in this case trying to figure out the key. Instructor calls it Mi which is E, just weird, not the rythm for Stormy Monday, its just a general rhythm. Seems i might have missed something but its something like below. E E E E | E6 E6 E6 E6| A7 A7 A7 A7| A6 A6 A6 A6|E7 E7 D6 D6| B9 B9 B9 B9 | E7 E7 E7 E7 | turn around 4 beats| E E B9 B9
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Post by Phil on Jul 14, 2019 10:31:55 GMT -6
Yeah i can was doing showing chords each 4 beats. I understand the roman numbering as well but in this case trying to figure out the key. Instructor calls it Mi which is E, just weird, not the rythm for Stormy Monday, its just a general rhythm. Seems i might have missed something but its something like below. E E E E | E6 E6 E6 E6| A7 A7 A7 A7| A6 A6 A6 A6|E7 E7 D6 D6| B9 B9 B9 B9 | E7 E7 E7 E7 | turn around 4 beats| E E B9 B9 This progression is confusing partly because of the way he's naming chords. That's probably because that's the way they name chords in Spain. What I'm saying is that an E6 is the same as a C#m7, A6 = F#m7, D6 = Bm7. Take ANY major 6th chord (scale degrees 1,3,5,6). It has exactly the same notes as its relative minor chord. For example - C6 has the notes CEGA - Am7 has the notes ACEG. Same notes. It's easier for me to read progressions when the chords are named according to their function in the progression. In other words, is a C6 functioning as a I chord or is it functioning as a ii chord (Am7) in the key of G?
Moving on.
The last bar ends on B9 which is the V7 chord of E. So this is in the key of E. That V7 chord in bar 12 pulls you back to the I chord (E) to either end the song or repeat another chorus. I do think you're missing something. There are 3 bars missing. One of the defining characteristics of a Blues is going to the IV chord in bar 5. The way it's written here you're going to the I chord in bar V. Maybe you wrote it down wrong? The most basic underlying structure of almost all 12-bar Blues is:
| I I I I | I I I I | I I I I | I I I I |
| IV IV IV IV | IV IV IV IV | I I I I | I I I I |
| V V V V | IV IV IV IV | I I I I | I I I I | That's the starting point. Then you can substitute stuff, put in ii>V's and I>VI>ii>V's, and throw in a turn-around in bars 11 and 12. But the one thing that almost never changes is going to the IV chord in bar 5.
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Post by cunningr on Jul 14, 2019 13:54:31 GMT -6
Yeah i can was doing showing chords each 4 beats. I understand the roman numbering as well but in this case trying to figure out the key. Instructor calls it Mi which is E, just weird, not the rythm for Stormy Monday, its just a general rhythm. Seems i might have missed something but its something like below. E E E E | E6 E6 E6 E6| A7 A7 A7 A7| A6 A6 A6 A6|E7 E7 D6 D6| B9 B9 B9 B9 | E7 E7 E7 E7 | turn around 4 beats| E E B9 B9 The think is the chords for a E root doesnt have a D chord in the part A of the progression it starts using an A root open 5th just a strange progression chord wise sounds nice. I will sit down work the chords out again when my wife isnt talking to me. It doesnt fit the normal 12 bar I IV V if E is the root how does the D fit? If its a root then the D works as IV but the the B9 doesn't fit. part B starts with a E maj the adds the pinky to make the E into a E major add 6. Then a second fret A7 that adds an A# on the 5th string fret 1. 🤔🤪 This progression is confusing partly because of the way he's naming chords. That's probably because that's the way they name chords in Spain. What I'm saying is that an E6 is the same as a C#m7, A6 = F#m7, D6 = Bm7. Take ANY major 6th chord (scale degrees 1,3,5,6). It has exactly the same notes as its relative minor chord. For example - C6 has the notes CEGA - Am7 has the notes ACEG. Same notes. It's easier for me to read progressions when the chords are named according to their function in the progression. In other words, is a C6 functioning as a I chord or is it functioning as a ii chord (Am7) in the key of G?
Moving on.
The last bar ends on B9 which is the V7 chord of E. So this is in the key of E. That V7 chord in bar 12 pulls you back to the I chord (E) to either end the song or repeat another chorus. I do think you're missing something. There are 3 bars missing. One of the defining characteristics of a Blues is going to the IV chord in bar 5. The way it's written here you're going to the I chord in bar V. Maybe you wrote it down wrong? The most basic underlying structure of almost all 12-bar Blues is:
| I I I I | I I I I | I I I I | I I I I |
| IV IV IV IV | IV IV IV IV | I I I I | I I I I |
| V V V V | IV IV IV IV | I I I I | I I I I | That's the starting point. Then you can substitute stuff, put in ii>V's and I>VI>ii>V's, and throw in a turn-around in bars 11 and 12. But the one thing that almost never changes is going to the IV chord in bar 5.
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Post by bluesbruce on Jul 14, 2019 16:23:15 GMT -6
Kind of lousy week, having to work this weekend... it's a vicious catch-22 - I need to retire, but then I'll have to sell off my guitars for food and health care coverage! Then the month after that I'll be living on the streets
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Post by jack1982 on Jul 15, 2019 10:21:13 GMT -6
Getting everything downloaded on my new drive. It always amazes me - for most programs, re-downloading is a two or at most three step procedure. Unless it's music related, then...oh for the love of God. My Amplitube 3 amp sim is just comical, I bet I checked "I agree to your terms" at least 9 times. First you download the "authorization manager", then, even though I just downloaded it from their website, it told me that version was outdated and I needed to download it again from some other place on their website. And everything must be done two or three times for reasons I doubt even their own programmers understand. And that's just to get the authorization manager downloaded and installed, I haven't even begun downloading the actual amp sim program yet. That's another dozen hoops to jump through. And everything is zipped, just to add a few more steps to unzip and then finally...
Ugh.
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Post by Phil on Jul 15, 2019 12:19:46 GMT -6
Getting everything downloaded on my new drive. It always amazes me - for most programs, re-downloading is a two or at most three step procedure. Unless it's music related, then...oh for the love of God. My Amplitube 3 amp sim is just comical, I bet I checked "I agree to your terms" at least 9 times. First you download the "authorization manager", then, even though I just downloaded it from their website, it told me that version was outdated and I needed to download it again from some other place on their website. And everything must be done two or three times for reasons I doubt even their own programmers understand. And that's just to get the authorization manager downloaded and installed, I haven't even begun downloading the actual amp sim program yet. That's another dozen hoops to jump through. And everything is zipped, just to add a few more steps to unzip and then finally... Ugh. I had an authorized free version of Amplitube and I used it a lot. 3 years ago I bought a new computer and tried to re-install it. I eventually gave up. It was driving me crazy. The same problems you're having. The 1st install was a breeze. For some reason re-installing it is next to impossible. That's when I went on a quest to find another free or at least cheap amp sim program and ended up with Poulin. It had a very steep learning curve and I could never get a tone I liked. A few months ago I bought a Fender Mustang I amp and it came with Amplitube. I installed it with no problem. So now I finally have Amplitube again and never use it.
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Post by jack1982 on Jul 15, 2019 15:03:50 GMT -6
Getting everything downloaded on my new drive. It always amazes me - for most programs, re-downloading is a two or at most three step procedure. Unless it's music related, then...oh for the love of God. My Amplitube 3 amp sim is just comical, I bet I checked "I agree to your terms" at least 9 times. First you download the "authorization manager", then, even though I just downloaded it from their website, it told me that version was outdated and I needed to download it again from some other place on their website. And everything must be done two or three times for reasons I doubt even their own programmers understand. And that's just to get the authorization manager downloaded and installed, I haven't even begun downloading the actual amp sim program yet. That's another dozen hoops to jump through. And everything is zipped, just to add a few more steps to unzip and then finally... Ugh. I had an authorized free version of Amplitube and I used it a lot. 3 years ago I bought a new computer and tried to re-install it. I eventually gave up. It was driving me crazy. The same problems you're having. The 1st install was a breeze. For some reason re-installing it is next to impossible. That's when I went on a quest to find another free or at least cheap amp sim program and ended up with Poulin. It had a very steep learning curve and I could never get a tone I liked. A few months ago I bought a Fender Mustang I amp and it came with Amplitube. I installed it with no problem. So now I finally have Amplitube again and never use it. That's the nice thing about amps, just turn it on using the switch located on the front panel I'm giving up on trying to find my Reaper activation key, after some online research I found it on my old HDD, but it was some weird file type that couldn't be opened without a degree in computer science. After installing my new drive I though "Hey, maybe I can just copy the file without opening it? Might that work?!?!" So I put the old drive back in but now that file seems to have disappeared. Oh well, from now on I'll just wait 5 seconds and tell it I'm "still evaluating"...forever
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Post by Phil on Jul 15, 2019 19:21:59 GMT -6
That's the nice thing about amps, just turn it on using the switch located on the front panel I'm giving up on trying to find my Reaper activation key, after some online research I found it on my old HDD, but it was some weird file type that couldn't be opened without a degree in computer science. After installing my new drive I though "Hey, maybe I can just copy the file without opening it? Might that work?!?!" So I put the old drive back in but now that file seems to have disappeared. Oh well, from now on I'll just wait 5 seconds and tell it I'm "still evaluating"...forever At least you'll have a clear conscience while waiting. Seriously, you could probably contact them and get the key.
Just out of curiosity, isn't there a way to make an exact copy of the old drive and put it on the new drive? I'd like to know. Rich is an IT guy. Maybe he can answer that.
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Post by Phil on Jul 15, 2019 19:59:30 GMT -6
Jul 14, 2019 15:54:31 GMT -4 cunningr said:
"The think is the chords for a E root doesnt have a D chord in the part A of the progression it starts using an A root open 5th just a strange progression chord wise sounds nice. I will sit down work the chords out again when my wife isnt talking to me. It doesnt fit the normal 12 bar I IV V if E is the root how does the D fit? If its a root then the D works as IV but the the B9 doesn't fit.
part B starts with a E maj the adds the pinky to make the E into a E major add 6. Then a second fret A7 that adds an A# on the 5th string fret 1. 🤔🤪"
I didn't see your response until now. It was buried in the top portion of the post and I couldn't quote it.
You've really peaked my curiosity with this. Could you post the whole 12-Bars exactly? I'd really like to see it.
Check out this blog post. It might answer some of your questions about how other chords can fit it to a 12-bar Blues. How to Jazz up a 12-bar Blues
Also, whose version of "Stormy Monday" are you learning? T-Bone Walker, who wrote it, played it as a standard 12-bar Blues. Bobby "Blue" Bland's version introduced that cool I7-ii7-iii7-biii7 in bars 7 and 8, and then the Allman Bros took Bland's version made a couple more substitutions. Maybe this is your teacher's own version. Anyway, I'd like to see the whole progression.
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Post by jack1982 on Jul 16, 2019 4:59:06 GMT -6
That's the nice thing about amps, just turn it on using the switch located on the front panel I'm giving up on trying to find my Reaper activation key, after some online research I found it on my old HDD, but it was some weird file type that couldn't be opened without a degree in computer science. After installing my new drive I though "Hey, maybe I can just copy the file without opening it? Might that work?!?!" So I put the old drive back in but now that file seems to have disappeared. Oh well, from now on I'll just wait 5 seconds and tell it I'm "still evaluating"...forever At least you'll have a clear conscience while waiting. Seriously, you could probably contact them and get the key.
Just out of curiosity, isn't there a way to make an exact copy of the old drive and put it on the new drive? I'd like to know. Rich is an IT guy. Maybe he can answer that.
Yeah I actually did that once, "clone" the drive or something. It worked fine but afterwards it seemed like I was having various weird little problems, different stuff just didn't work right. Of course it's nothing out of the ordinary to have stuff not work right, but it made me suspicious that it was because I duplicated the drive and I ended up just reformatting and re-installing everything.
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Post by cunningr on Jul 16, 2019 6:24:18 GMT -6
At least you'll have a clear conscience while waiting. Seriously, you could probably contact them and get the key.
Just out of curiosity, isn't there a way to make an exact copy of the old drive and put it on the new drive? I'd like to know. Rich is an IT guy. Maybe he can answer that.
Yeah I actually did that once, "clone" the drive or something. It worked fine but afterwards it seemed like I was having various weird little problems, different stuff just didn't work right. Of course it's nothing out of the ordinary to have stuff not work right, but it made me suspicious that it was because I duplicated the drive and I ended up just reformatting and re-installing everything. Your better off doing a clean install as much as it sucks. The OS keeps a lot of outdated system files ect... Cloning can also screw with registry license guid.
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Post by cunningr on Jul 16, 2019 6:34:06 GMT -6
Jul 14, 2019 15:54:31 GMT -4 cunningr said:
"The think is the chords for a E root doesnt have a D chord in the part A of the progression it starts using an A root open 5th just a strange progression chord wise sounds nice. I will sit down work the chords out again when my wife isnt talking to me. It doesnt fit the normal 12 bar I IV V if E is the root how does the D fit? If its a root then the D works as IV but the the B9 doesn't fit.
part B starts with a E maj the adds the pinky to make the E into a E major add 6. Then a second fret A7 that adds an A# on the 5th string fret 1. 🤔🤪"
I didn't see your response until now. It was buried in the top portion of the post and I couldn't quote it.
You've really peaked my curiosity with this. Could you post the whole 12-Bars exactly? I'd really like to see it.
Check out this blog post. It might answer some of your questions about how other chords can fit it to a 12-bar Blues. How to Jazz up a 12-bar Blues
Also, whose version of "Stormy Monday" are you learning? T-Bone Walker, who wrote it, played it as a standard 12-bar Blues. Bobby "Blue" Bland's version introduced that cool I7-ii7-iii7-biii7 in bars 7 and 8, and then the Allman Bros took Bland's version made a couple more substitutions. Maybe this is your teacher's own version. Anyway, I'd like to see the whole progression.
Stormy Monday TBone walker version. I went through the progression again, the bar count is not coming out to 12. I am reviewing the video again, but pretty sure I have it memorized correctly. Its not part of stormy Monday its just a rhythm progression to jam over. Shuffle feel with 2 parts part 1 standard open 5th string A as the I but the bar count is not totaling. Will review and post back.
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Post by Phil on Jul 16, 2019 8:29:11 GMT -6
Stormy Monday TBone walker version. I went through the progression again, the bar count is not coming out to 12. I am reviewing the video again, but pretty sure I have it memorized correctly. Its not part of stormy Monday its just a rhythm progression to jam over. Shuffle feel with 2 parts part 1 standard open 5th string A as the I but the bar count is not totaling. Will review and post back. If it's a private video put it on dropbox or google drive and email me a link. I won't share it with anybody else. T-Bone's version is a straight up standard 12-bar Blues.
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Post by cunningr on Jul 16, 2019 12:25:11 GMT -6
Stormy Monday TBone walker version. I went through the progression again, the bar count is not coming out to 12. I am reviewing the video again, but pretty sure I have it memorized correctly. Its not part of stormy Monday its just a rhythm progression to jam over. Shuffle feel with 2 parts part 1 standard open 5th string A as the I but the bar count is not totaling. Will review and post back. If it's a private video put it on dropbox or google drive and email me a link. I won't share it with anybody else. T-Bone's version is a straight up standard 12-bar Blues. This progression isn't part of Stormy Monday. Stormy Monday we are doing in G. I did watch the video again, definitely says its a E blues that starts in the key of A, I have the chord sequence correct but not the times played per bar, which still doesn't make 12 per my counting. I am on my ipad i will try to record a quick take Wed orThursday will be home before coming back to Rota.
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Post by Phil on Jul 16, 2019 12:58:00 GMT -6
If it's a private video put it on dropbox or google drive and email me a link. I won't share it with anybody else. T-Bone's version is a straight up standard 12-bar Blues. This progression isn't part of Stormy Monday. Stormy Monday we are doing in G.I did watch the video again, definitely says its a E blues that starts in the key of A, I have the chord sequence correct but not the times played per bar, which still doesn't make 12 per my counting. I am on my ipad i will try to record a quick take Wed orThursday will be home before coming back to Rota. Jeez, I wish you had made that clear from the beginning. I don't understand how an E blues can start in the key of A. Maybe it's just a Blues based song and not a 12-bar Blues at all. Anyway, looking forward to hearing more about this.
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