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Post by grampalerxst on Dec 8, 2018 10:39:38 GMT -6
In case anyone was wondering if I actually do any of the things and I talk about, and in the spirit of Phil sharing a WIP, I recorded a few reps of the P&J chorus. The linked is four consecutive reps of five I did just sitting here with the backing track looped by Transcribe!. The backing track is something I found online of the song with the guitar mostly filtered out which causes some weird artifacts. Nevertheless, it's good enough for my day-to-day needs. The tone I had set up isn't great for the song, but again, good enough. I had it set for 90% tempo and since I had my avatar guitar out, I shifted pitch shifted up to E.
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Post by bluesbruce on Dec 8, 2018 11:36:59 GMT -6
I'd say that's coming along pretty damn well, Grampalerxst. You've got that upstroke timing down, along with all those triplet figures in the turnaround. I'd say this is pretty solid evidence that your numerous repititions are paying dividends! Keep up the good work!
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Post by joachim on Dec 8, 2018 12:05:24 GMT -6
That was pretty cool, Grampa! Thanks for sharing - it's fun to hear what others are working on.
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Post by grampalerxst on Dec 8, 2018 16:27:12 GMT -6
I'd say that's coming along pretty damn well, Grampalerxst. You've got that upstroke timing down, along with all those triplet figures in the turnaround. I'd say this is pretty solid evidence that your numerous repititions are paying dividends! Keep up the good work! Thanks, Bruce. My routine really has been helpful for me.
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Post by grampalerxst on Dec 8, 2018 16:28:06 GMT -6
That was pretty cool, Grampa! Thanks for sharing - it's fun to hear what others are working on. Thanks, Joachim!
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Post by Phil on Dec 8, 2018 16:56:28 GMT -6
Gramps, that sounded darn good. Thanks for posting it.
As popular as that song is there has to be a better backing track with just bass and drums available somewhere.
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Post by grampalerxst on Dec 8, 2018 18:15:50 GMT -6
Thanks, Phil. Yep, I'm sure there is better out there, or at least there should be. But "in the heat of practice" I don't notice the shortcomings. This one retains the vocals too, so should I ever venture into the song proper I'll have that.
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Post by jack1982 on Dec 9, 2018 6:10:34 GMT -6
Man, that sounded greeat! Really smooth, great timing, and I love how you get that bass line and chord stuff going simultaneously. Nice guitar sound and the lead bit at the end was right on the money as well. There are some other backing tracks over here if you wanted to check them out: www.guitarbackingtrack.com/bts/Stevie_Ray_Vaughan.htm Once you click on a track, if you then click on "customize this track" it takes you to a site where, for a few bucks, you can get each instrument on a seperate track.
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Post by grampalerxst on Dec 9, 2018 6:43:35 GMT -6
Man, that sounded greeat! Really smooth, great timing, and I love how you get that bass line and chord stuff going simultaneously. Nice guitar sound and the lead bit at the end was right on the money as well. There are some other backing tracks over here if you wanted to check them out: www.guitarbackingtrack.com/bts/Stevie_Ray_Vaughan.htm Once you click on a track, if you then click on "customize this track" it takes you to a site where, for a few bucks, you can get each instrument on a seperate track. Thanks Jack, you're too kind! I'm thinking I should stick with this new method of practicing. There's a really weird side effect as if I've 90% forgotten how to play a lot of what I used to be able to play. It feels like wherever/however I organize things to play something has changed, and the "old system" is, at least temporarily, offline.
And, I've now got a check in the box for "upload something once every eighteen months".
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Post by grampalerxst on Dec 15, 2018 11:25:46 GMT -6
I was about convinced not to do this because I wasn't real happy with the results, but decided to throw out this update (after about 200 reps of the chorus) anyway. The tempo is up to 95% from 90%, and I'm using a preset I like a little better for the song. Oh, and this is in the original key (Eb). I tried to get fancy and throw on a little reverb in my DAW, and once soundcloud chewed on it, it just made the whole thing sound weird. I got very tight every time I got to the last 4 bars of the chorus and was probably too relaxed the rest of the time. So I probably won't move up in speed for another week. I'm not sure the objective evidence supports it but it feels like I'm still making headway with this one. soundcloud.com/grampalerxst/mixed
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Post by cunningr on Dec 15, 2018 15:20:22 GMT -6
Yeah that last mix didnt play well for me, but based off the first post your are sounding very good getting that rake is hard.
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Post by Phil on Dec 15, 2018 23:44:15 GMT -6
Gramps, the recording sounds bad (some digital thing going on) but your playing is good. Keep 'em coming.
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Post by grampalerxst on Dec 16, 2018 5:45:26 GMT -6
Yeah that last mix didnt play well for me ... Gramps, the recording sounds bad (some digital thing going on) ... Hmm, worse than I thought. I have a tendency to disregard the recording itself and focus on what's recorded (which in that example ain't so hot on its own merits). Bad enough to implicitly solicit feedback on some half-arsed WIP playing without having the audio quality be a problem too. I'll have to work on that, I suppose (and in the meantime I won't quit my day job to pursue a new career as an audio engineer, ha!). Its not like I have crappy stuff I'm playing through and using for the capture. It's a PICNIC problen (Problem in chair, not in computer).
Thanks, Phil and cunningr, for taking the time to listen and comment!
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Post by bluesbruce on Dec 16, 2018 8:41:25 GMT -6
Ditto what Phil said about the quality of the sound - maybe it was the reverb? I'd say you're definitely still making progress - you've moved the tempo up a bit, and you're becoming more discerning of minor imperfections in the turnaround that most people wouldn't notice. Thanks for sharing, and keep up the good work!
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Post by grampalerxst on Dec 16, 2018 10:11:24 GMT -6
Ditto what Phil said about the quality of the sound - maybe it was the reverb? I'd say you're definitely still making progress - you've moved the tempo up a bit, and you're becoming more discerning of minor imperfections in the turnaround that most people wouldn't notice. Thanks for sharing, and keep up the good work! Thanks Bruce. It's a bunch of things. The backing track has some funny artifacts from the processing to mostly filter out the guitar and that with the reverb and then soundcloud compression all add up. I went and downloaded a backing track at the link Jack gave above. I think ultimately it was a midi track but it's a lot cleaner. Next time I'll probably add a bit of reverb to the guitar before the recording, use the backing track, leave everything dry in the DAW, and accept it's going to sound like what it is.
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Post by Phil on Dec 16, 2018 10:48:08 GMT -6
Ditto what Phil said about the quality of the sound - maybe it was the reverb? I'd say you're definitely still making progress - you've moved the tempo up a bit, and you're becoming more discerning of minor imperfections in the turnaround that most people wouldn't notice. Thanks for sharing, and keep up the good work! Thanks Bruce. It's a bunch of things. The backing track has some funny artifacts from the processing to mostly filter out the guitar and that with the reverb and then soundcloud compression all add up. I went and downloaded a backing track at the link Jack gave above. I think ultimately it was a midi track but it's a lot cleaner. Next time I'll probably add a bit of reverb to the guitar before the recording, use the backing track, leave everything dry in the DAW, and accept it's going to sound like what it is. I think that's it. I now recognize the sound from when I tried to filter out a noise from one of my recording. I have a vague memory of "Minus One" recordings or something with a name like that. They were well recorded versions of songs that left out the guitar or bass or whatever so you could play along. Does this ring any bells with anybody?
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Post by grampalerxst on Dec 17, 2018 5:34:03 GMT -6
I think that's it. I now recognize the sound from when I tried to filter out a noise from one of my recording. I have a vague memory of "Minus One" recordings or something with a name like that. They were well recorded versions of songs that left out the guitar or bass or whatever so you could play along. Does this ring any bells with anybody? I've heard the term although I can't say I remember it as a brand/product. "Tracks" like the one I used are pretty common out there, both for play-alongs and isolated instruments. If you put on headphones you can hear what was removed ghosted in the background. These aren't professional products. I found the one I've been using for practice on the Tube and it suits my needs. I recorded a few loops through a section of it to have an audio log of my progress towards the end of trying to work up a section of the song. The end goal is to learn to play the chorus reasonably well at tempo. Unlikely I'll ever try to record it "for real". I checked and the file on my computer that was uploaded to Soundcloud sounds better than what's up there. Their compression algo seems to raise the level of the ghosted artifacts (which are made worse for having been slowed down and in the case of the first example, pitch-shifted). The file I have on my computer actually sounds kind of neat played back through my THR 10C. Can't hear any of the ghosted gunk without headphones and with the added room reverb added in the DAW it has the vibe of a vintage recording where the band is recorded together live in a room. If the guitarist could get his chops down you could almost imagine Howlin' Wolf ready to step up to the mic to cover Stevie Ray.
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Post by jack1982 on Dec 18, 2018 18:56:12 GMT -6
Sounded pretty good to me. Your playing right on the beat (to my ears), maybe you could relax a bit more, but it sounds very good the way it is. I'm just listening to it through my speakers at rather low volume and the recording sounded nice to me. Classic Strat tone. You still buying the Jimmy Page Tele along with me when it comes out? We can choose a Zep' tune and do 3 tracks each
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Post by grampalerxst on Dec 20, 2018 18:08:30 GMT -6
Sounded pretty good to me. Your playing right on the beat (to my ears), maybe you could relax a bit more, but it sounds very good the way it is. I'm just listening to it through my speakers at rather low volume and the recording sounded nice to me. Classic Strat tone. You still buying the Jimmy Page Tele along with me when it comes out? We can choose a Zep' tune and do 3 tracks each Thanks, Jack. You're right, my right hand was tensing up a lot during the turnaround, and I'm not convinced I'm doing a good job getting the right relaxed feel to the upbeats the rest of the time. SRV used a circular motion with his right hand that I don't quite have down. My circles are too small--if I could get it wider the upstrokes would probably fall more on the back half of the beat which I think would make it sound a little less rushed.
JP tele is still on my wish list, we'll have to see when the time comes whether I can do it right away, are you going for the hand-signed model or the "production" model?
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Post by cunningr on Dec 21, 2018 2:42:42 GMT -6
Yeah SRV Gad a train like motion I think the instructor from Texas Blues Alkey site had a free video showing his technique. That site has a lot of SRV stuff almost to the point of being weird. Lol
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