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Post by Phil on Mar 15, 2014 18:45:57 GMT -6
I just spent 5 hours recording these 3 studies. I estimated it would take about 1 1/2 hours, since I thought I had these in the the bag. I'm not entirely satisfied with the results, but I'm posting them anyway. Recording is the most frustrating thing I've ever done. I was convinced that I had these tunes down pat, but when I went to record them I could not get through them without some stupid mistake. I spent 3 hours on Getting Funky and still screwed up the ending. Lazy Day Blues only took 45 minutes. I have to say, however, even though it's frustrating I'm convinced that this is helping me to play with more precision and playing them over and over again has got to be helping to polish my technique. I least I hope this is serving some purpose. I'm looking for nit-picky critiques on these. Do not be afraid of hurting my feelings or thinking that you'll appear to be an overly critical jerk. I'm asking for it, so let me have it. I can't be objective after repeating these so many times. Phil soundcloud.com/jack_e_blue/bycu-bends-slides-and-shifts-3soundcloud.com/jack_e_blue/bycu-getting-funky-3-14soundcloud.com/jack_e_blue/bycu-lazy-day-blues-3-14
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Post by grampalerxst on Mar 16, 2014 4:11:51 GMT -6
Hey Phil, I listened to these without reading the instructions first, so I was not listening with an ear to be critical and was ready to say, "Nice job!". Later I'll go back and listen to them the way I listen to myself It is funny what happens when the red light comes on. Sometimes the silliest things get me, like not being able to get a comfortable grip on my pick between cueing the track and when it's time to start playing. I've come up with a loose rule-of-thumb: if I botch it 5 times in a row I concede that I don't know it well enough yet and go back to work on it at slower speeds. And really, if I actually knew the piece well enough, I should be able to get it rigth the first time, no sweat. So I wonder if my 1 good take out of 5 "standard" isn't doing me a disservice. In the last few weeks I've run across a number of sources that say you should record yourself practicing every day. It's just enough of a hassle for me to reconfigure everything for that purpose that I don't bother to do it myself (yet). It certainly puts one in a different head space.
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Post by Phil on Mar 16, 2014 5:24:39 GMT -6
Hey Phil, I listened to these without reading the instructions first, so I was not listening with an ear to be critical and was ready to say, "Nice job!". Later I'll go back and listen to them the way I listen to myself It is funny what happens when the red light comes on. Sometimes the silliest things get me, like not being able to get a comfortable grip on my pick between cueing the track and when it's time to start playing. I've come up with a loose rule-of-thumb: if I botch it 5 times in a row I concede that I don't know it well enough yet and go back to work on it at slower speeds. And really, if I actually knew the piece well enough, I should be able to get it rigth the first time, no sweat. So I wonder if my 1 good take out of 5 "standard" isn't doing me a disservice. In the last few weeks I've run across a number of sources that say you should record yourself practicing every day. It's just enough of a hassle for me to reconfigure everything for that purpose that I don't bother to do it myself (yet). It certainly puts one in a different head space. Your "5 takes rule" is a good indicator of how well one REALLY knows the tune. I think I fool myself into thinking that I can play something better than I actually can. When I'm just playing by myself I can gloss over little mistakes - missed notes, dead notes, rushing a part, etc. but when I record myself all of these things are in my face and can't be ignored. Trying to get a good recording becomes a goal and I'll play take after take trying to get it right. I wouldn't otherwise repeat a study that many times. So, it's serving some purpose. But you make a good point in saying to take a step back and practice it some more at a slower speed. Maybe that's why John included slow version of each backing track. I'm probably rushing things so I can move on to the next study. Recording yourself practicing every day sounds like a good idea, but I don't think it's very practical. 80% of the time I practice with the guitar unplugged. Also, when would someone find the time to listen back to every practice session? And would that really serve any useful purpose? Right now I feel that recording myself once a week to track my progress, give myself a goal to shoot for, and enforce some discipline on myself is about all I can handle. I just listened to the recordings again today with a clear head and I can see all kinds of problems that I didn't even notice yesterday. "Getting Funky" which I thought was the best of the 3 turns out to be the worst. It looks like I'll be working with the slow backing track for a while. Phil
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Post by grampalerxst on Mar 16, 2014 7:51:23 GMT -6
Agree with the impractical nature of it (recording daily). In defense of the advocates, I don't think they were suggesting to record entire practice sessions, just an example of the more significant exercises/items. The purpose is twofold, to pick up on the little things one misses while playing (similar to what you say happened to you this morning) to ensure correct execution of them before errors get habituated, and for positive reinforcement (by comparing "today's" playing with last month's or whatever). I think your 1/week is a very good frequency. For myself, I decided on once a month I'd just capture 5-10 minutes of whatever pops into my head to play, and at 6 month intervals I'll go back and listen through them to determine what's working and what isn't. Of course, I also will have the BYCU/BRYCU captures available for the same purpose.
Time to finish up my 2013 taxes and grab the guitar I think.
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Post by perfopt on Mar 16, 2014 9:10:52 GMT -6
Pretty good stuff. I like it.
One feedback - fiddle around with the mixer/equalizer to reduce the volume of your solo relative to the backing tape..
Great stuff
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Post by Phil on Mar 16, 2014 11:29:35 GMT -6
Thanks for the input, perfopt. I'll have to work on mixing better just as soon as I start playing better. I'm learning to use Reaper to record the wave file and then Audacity to create an mp3. I noticed that when I convert the wave to mp3 the sound is much harsher. I'll have to try and compensate for that on the original recording. What program are you using to record? Any recording tips would be appreciated. Phil
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Post by bluesbruce on Mar 16, 2014 12:55:10 GMT -6
Phil,
Nice job on those. I thought there was one bend at about 0:26 in Lazy Day that sounded a little flat. The rest sounded pretty spot on. Sounds like you've been working on those. GOOD JOB!
Rather than spending a lot of time trying to record a perfect take, I tend to try to do a single "live" take recording. These recordings are just to let you look at your progress and to help identify things to work on. You're definitely ready to keep moving on.
In regards to the mp3's not sounding as good, can you specify the "quality" or sampling rate in Audacity. I think it uses the Lame encoder, which is rumored to be on of the best mp3 encoders. You may need to adjust your encoding settings. It's also possible (even likely) that Soundcloud limits your mp3 quality (higher quality = larger file). This may be at play if the mp3 sounds okay on your system, but not so good when uploaded to Soundcloud.
Keep up the good work!
Bruce
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Post by Phil on Mar 16, 2014 13:22:00 GMT -6
Thanks for the input and the encouragement, Bruce. I'll have to look into the sampling rate on Audacity. The mp3's sound the same on my computer as they do on Soundcloud. I not sure about Soundcloud's limits on individual files. I accidentally uploaded a wave file once and it was almost completely uploaded when I realized my mistake and stopped it.
I think we are all waiting for an upload from you, Bruce. Come on man jump into the pool! The water is cold, but you'll get used to it fast. :DWe need some more participation on this forum.
Thanks again for your comments.
Phil
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Post by bluesbruce on Mar 17, 2014 15:13:04 GMT -6
Phil,
I'm actually working on recording - trying to do it as a video on Youtube. I'm kind of technically challenged using audio and video recording software, but I think it will be a good thing to learn to do. I've wasted a couple of hours today playing with this... Kind of frustrating. I'll be on spring break with my daughter the rest of the week, so won't have my guitar. Maybe can get something up tonight or tomorrow morning. I've kind of got the first lesson in Jazzin' the Blues - cool stuff!
Bruce
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Post by Phil on Mar 17, 2014 15:50:47 GMT -6
Bruce, I'd be very interested, when you get it sorted out, in getting some tips on how to record video - what hardware, software, how do you sync video to audio, etc. I don't have "Jazzin' the Blues" (yet). I'm only halfway through BYCU. I have "Blues Rhythms You Can Use", which I need to open up more often and "More Blues You Can Use", which I listened to many times, but have restrained myself from delving into it until I get through BYCU. I really have to exercise some self control to keep myself from falling back into the 'learn-everything-right-now-and-end-up-not-learning-anything' syndrome. Have you gotten through BYCU? Learning to record yourself and how to use the software is not a waste of time. Once you learn that stuff you've got it. Even if you change software you know and understand the basic concepts and can adapt. It's certainly easier than learning to play the guitar. Take care. Looking forward to seeing your video. Phil
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Post by bluesbruce on Mar 18, 2014 8:33:44 GMT -6
Phl,
I think I've got all the video and audio I need on my computer. I'll have some "airplane time" later today to try to put it all together. I'm anxious to see how it comes out. I think I'll see a lot of things to "tweak" when I try this again. The first couple of videos may be kind of rough around the edges, but it's a learning process. I'll be happy to share my experience, maybe it can save someone else making the same mistakes. I'm trying to make it better quality than just pointing my iPhone and turning on "record".
I think what I was saying above about these recordings was just expressed better by tbone - it's to see for yourself and others how you can play it, and hopefully for us all to learn from.
Bruce
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Post by Phil on Mar 18, 2014 16:12:17 GMT -6
Hi Phil! It's great to see you put up some recordings. In terms of critique - I've got to admit that I can't really comment here... I think that's mainly because I come from another angle when it comes to the whys and wherefores of the whole recording thing... I don't very much believe in really "nailing" a tune note for note... for me it's more about getting the main idea (rhythm, motive, basic lick), see for myself how I can play it and show it to others who might benefit (e.g., I'd never be able to play Son House stuff and sound like Son House, so the goal can only be to play it my way) ... however, seeing you're aiming to play very close to the original, I'd say "Success!", and I think you also learned a lot about recording in the process(something which I know nil about)... so, the only thing I'd say is (and I'd like to think that's the whole idea of the BYCU series) I wouldn't waste too much time to get the solos down perfectly but rather make sure to get the main idea understood... I guess you'd be surprised if you'd play with someone else (if you don't do it already) and experience how much you already have learned through John's method... Greetings, t. T-bone, Thanks for your comment. I understand what you are saying about getting the basic idea and feel of a particular lick or piece music and adding something of your own to come up with something original. However, nobody knows me better than I do and I've used this concept in the past as a cop-out or an excuse to not learn the things that I found difficult. It's much easier for me to say that I don't like what John Ganapes put on paper and, therefore, I'm going to play it my way, than for me to have the self-discipline to learn what John wrote note for note. My objective right now is to learn these studies note for note and as close to John's recordings as possible. I need to work towards that goal in order to not just noodle around and not make any progress. Once I've accomplished that THEN I will have earned the right to tweak them to my heart's delight. Two people playing the same piece note for note are still going to sound a little differently because of various nuances of touch, picking attack, etc., that's the nature of music. Keep in mind that John Ganapes said he did not play on BYCU. That means he gave the music to another guitarist to play and that guitarist played it note for note. Whoever that guitarist was is a professional and could have certainly added things and gave his own interpretation, but he didn't - he played it the way John wrote it so we could hear it and see the exact notes in writing and learn it. Right now what I need to do is learn what other people have written and develop the self-discipline to learn the things that I find difficult. Otherwise I'll just skip over the difficult parts and only play what comes easy for me. I've been there and done that already and made very little progress. Phil
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Post by perfopt on Mar 22, 2014 0:12:17 GMT -6
Thanks for the input, perfopt. I'll have to work on mixing better just as soon as I start playing better. I'm learning to use Reaper to record the wave file and then Audacity to create an mp3. I noticed that when I convert the wave to mp3 the sound is much harsher. I'll have to try and compensate for that on the original recording. What program are you using to record? Any recording tips would be appreciated. Phil I'm a novice at recording too. I use Garageband (the iOS version mostly) which is pretty good. It also has a great set of Amps and pedals
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